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Re: Guns
Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

This one looks like an open and shut case - he should get life without.... probably drug user again... WTS do people do that kind of stuff for?

We could always ask Aussie, the self-proclaimed lawyer, to show us a case for the defence saying that he was innocent.

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Re: Guns
Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

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Re: Guns
Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

I'm not a fan of judicial execution. There is too much error, too much bias and end of the day, it doesn't deter anyone so why do it?

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

Nobody has ever disputed that fact, ever.

So, I'm not sure why people feel the need to keep bringing it up - you're just arguing with yourself.

Yes: a dead criminal can no longer commit crimes.

And, being imprisoned also reduces the chances of the same person murdering again.

Right up until some POS left wing douche-bag judge lets the filth out on the street. Same applies to every scumbag the enters our revolving door prisons.

When dying in prison becomes the norm for these filth, then and only then should the DP be taken off the table.

Build more prisons, lock scum up for much, much longer and in cases of true scum baggery, let them out in a body bag and no sooner.

F...,,k the left wing soft c0ck judges, they should have zero say in sentencing until they can prove they will sentence in the interest of society.

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Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly. I don't call for the death penalty for every case ... just those where there is ZERO doubt.

No such thing as 'zero doubt'. In fact, the idea of executing people when there is no doubt has still turned up spectacular failures of executing the innocent. For instance, you dont know if a person is guilty or not, only what you are told and you have to assume that no one lies or is incompetent or simply mistaken.

Zero doubt is impossible.

impossible for an idiot maybe,

Martyn Briant - ZERO doubt, Milat - ZERO DOUBT, the guy in the article I posted, ZERO doubt. They got him on camera doing it for farks sake

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Re: Guns
Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

sure there is ... two shots with a 9mm, back of the head. Job done properly.

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Re: Guns
Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

sure there is ... two shots with a 9mm, back of the head. Job done properly.

Nothing proper about that.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

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Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:10pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

sure there is ... two shots with a 9mm, back of the head. Job done properly.

Hollow points will makes sure the brain stem has been shredded, don't want them surviving and suing the executioner now do we.

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Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:11pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly.

There is nothing proper about the state-sanctioned premeditated killing of prisoners.

Ever.

sure there is ... two shots with a 9mm, back of the head. Job done properly.

Hollow points will makes sure the brain stem has been shredded, don't want them surviving and suing the executioner now do we.

Now you're even "thinking" like a criminal.

That's capital punishment for you - you become no better than the criminals.

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Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:01pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

Nobody has ever disputed that fact, ever.

So, I'm not sure why people feel the need to keep bringing it up - you're just arguing with yourself.

Yes: a dead criminal can no longer commit crimes.

And, being imprisoned also reduces the chances of the same person murdering again.

Right up until some POS left wing douche-bag judge lets the filth out on the street. Same applies to every scumbag the enters our revolving door prisons.

When dying in prison becomes the norm for these filth, then and only then should the DP be taken off the table.

Build more prisons, lock scum up for much, much longer and in cases of true scum baggery, let them out in a body bag and no sooner.

F...,,k the left wing soft c0ck judges, they should have zero say in sentencing until they can prove they will sentence in the interest of society.

What about the innocent sent to prison. Do you have an opinion on them?

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Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly. I don't call for the death penalty for every case ... just those where there is ZERO doubt.

No such thing as 'zero doubt'. In fact, the idea of executing people when there is no doubt has still turned up spectacular failures of executing the innocent. For instance, you dont know if a person is guilty or not, only what you are told and you have to assume that no one lies or is incompetent or simply mistaken.

Zero doubt is impossible.

impossible for an idiot maybe,

Martyn Briant - ZERO doubt, Milat - ZERO DOUBT, the guy in the article I posted, ZERO doubt. They got him on camera doing it for farks sake

Milat zero doubt? the evidence was forensic. There is ALWAYS doubt.

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Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

Now you're even "thinking" like a criminal.

That's capital punishment for you - you become no better than the criminals.

Just stating a fact, I know how much you like you like facts.

If you are going to double tap a scumbag, best to use hollow points to ensure the brain stem has been shredded and there is no chance of survival.

I am better than these criminals, without even trying I am better than them, which is why it is so easy to have them put down. Much like you would a savage dog.

But me, I prefer to have them live for many decades in a tiny cell with no chance of ever being released. 23 hrs a day with no human contact and only their thoughts to keep them company, much, much worse than the DP.

There are things much worse than death and that is what I want for these scumbags.

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Reply #29 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

Nobody has ever disputed that fact, ever.

So, I'm not sure why people feel the need to keep bringing it up - you're just arguing with yourself.

Yes: a dead criminal can no longer commit crimes.

And, being imprisoned also reduces the chances of the same person murdering again.

Right up until some POS left wing douche-bag judge lets the filth out on the street. Same applies to every scumbag the enters our revolving door prisons.

When dying in prison becomes the norm for these filth, then and only then should the DP be taken off the table.

Build more prisons, lock scum up for much, much longer and in cases of true scum baggery, let them out in a body bag and no sooner.

F...,,k the left wing soft c0ck judges, they should have zero say in sentencing until they can prove they will sentence in the interest of society.

What about the innocent sent to prison. Do you have an opinion on them?

Other than they shouldn't be there.

So lets just stick with the guilty pieces of sh1t, or are they all innocent and we should just give up all prosecution and incarceration, because of all the innocence out there in prison land?

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