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Re: Guns
Reply #30 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

DNA evidence can remove all doubt.

Really? That is actually not true. Firstly, it assumes that DNA is collected and processed properly and that there is no error or corruption, both of which have happened multiple times. Then there is the question of whether or not the correct DNA sample has been collected eg a rape case that also had prior consensual sex. You have bone marrow transplants which give a person TWO DNA profiles. Then there are twins...

DNA is good. DNA is not perfect. Even the one in ten billion chance of being wrong is still not zero chance. There is a one in ten trillion chance of winning two lottery first divisions, but it has happened.

There is no such thing as zero doubt or zero error.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #31 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm: I am better than these criminals... Your last few posts have shown otherwise.
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Re: Guns
Reply #32 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

It has a good chance of executing the innocent as well. That's a bit of a problem, don't you think? Life without parole has the same effect.

No, not if it is done properly. I don't call for the death penalty for every case ... just those where there is ZERO doubt.

No such thing as 'zero doubt'. In fact, the idea of executing people when there is no doubt has still turned up spectacular failures of executing the innocent. For instance, you dont know if a person is guilty or not, only what you are told and you have to assume that no one lies or is incompetent or simply mistaken.

Zero doubt is impossible.

impossible for an idiot maybe,

Martyn Briant - ZERO doubt, Milat - ZERO DOUBT, the guy in the article I posted, ZERO doubt. They got him on camera doing it for farks sake

Milat zero doubt? the evidence was forensic. There is ALWAYS doubt.

No doubt ... with DNA testing today there is no more doubt

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Re: Guns
Reply #33 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

I found yesterdays incident more disturbing ... also on the Gold Coast

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/ex-bandido-lionel-patea-to-face-murder-aft...

forced her off the road , then while she was trapped in her car, he beat her across the head with a metal plate and killed her ...

such a pretty girl too.

tell me again why we shouldn't have the death penalty?

Because it simply does not work in reducing crime especially murder.

but it does reduce the chances of the same person murdering again

Nobody has ever disputed that fact, ever.

So, I'm not sure why people feel the need to keep bringing it up - you're just arguing with yourself.

Yes: a dead criminal can no longer commit crimes.

And, being imprisoned also reduces the chances of the same person murdering again.

Right up until some POS left wing douche-bag judge lets the filth out on the street. Same applies to every scumbag the enters our revolving door prisons.

When dying in prison becomes the norm for these filth, then and only then should the DP be taken off the table.

Build more prisons, lock scum up for much, much longer and in cases of true scum baggery, let them out in a body bag and no sooner.

F...,,k the left wing soft c0ck judges, they should have zero say in sentencing until they can prove they will sentence in the interest of society.

What about the innocent sent to prison. Do you have an opinion on them?

Other than they shouldn't be there.

So lets just stick with the guilty pieces of sh1t, or are they all innocent and we should just give up all prosecution and incarceration, because of all the innocence out there in prison land?

So in essence you really aren't that concerned about the state executing innocent people? Why is that? Surely the justice system exists to protect all us - especially innocent people. Care to explain?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #34 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:17pm lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm: DNA evidence can remove all doubt. Er, no. It can't.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #35 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:20pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:17pm: lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm: DNA evidence can remove all doubt. Er, no. It can't. All DNA does is prove that two samples come from the same person or sets of identical twins. It does not and cannot assume that this does in fact prove anything.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #36 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm: No doubt ... with DNA testing today there is no more doubt Actually, there is.
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Reply #37 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

I am better than these criminals...

Your last few posts have shown otherwise.

So people who commit actual horrendous crimes are about the same as someone who wants them locked up for life or terminated, yeah, that's a sane argument. Grin

Remember the reason we have such high recidivism with bash artists, child rapists, and all-round criminals scumbags, is because of people like you normalising their behaviour.

Having them permanently removed is not a bad thing, and you're going to do it do it properly. So in gaol for life mean you die there if you are going to bring in the DP, double tap with hollow points so the die.

Stop being a pussy, you are sounding more like a little b1tch every day

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Reply #38 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

DNA evidence can remove all doubt.

Er, no. It can't.

All DNA does is prove that two samples come from the same person or sets of identical twins. It does not and cannot assume that this does in fact prove anything.

Exactly.

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #39 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm: No doubt ... with DNA testing today there is no more doubt Actually, there is. yeah .... I'm willing to live with the .00001% chance that it's wrong.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #40 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm: So people who commit actual horrendous crimes are about the same as someone who wants them locked up for life ... No. I'm talking about capital punishment. Try to remain focused.
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Re: Guns
Reply #41 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

No doubt ... with DNA testing today there is no more doubt

Actually, there is.

yeah .... I'm willing to live with the .00001% chance that it's wrong.

Read Longy's post:

"All DNA does is prove that two samples come from the same person or sets of identical twins. It does not and cannot assume that this does in fact prove anything."

He's right.

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Re: Guns
Reply #42 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

I am better than these criminals...

Your last few posts have shown otherwise.

So people who commit actual horrendous crimes are about the same as someone who wants them locked up for life or terminated, yeah, that's a sane argument. Grin

Remember the reason we have such high recidivism with bash artists, child rapists, and all-round criminals scumbags, is because of people like you normalising their behaviour.

Having them permanently removed is not a bad thing, and you're going to do it do it properly. So in gaol for life mean you die there if you are going to bring in the DP, double tap with hollow points so the die.

Stop being a pussy, you are sounding more like a little b1tch every day

You still seem to have no problem with killing and no concern whatsoever for innocence.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: Guns Reply #43 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:29pm DNA evidence may not always remove all doubt, but it can.
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Reply #44 - Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:16pm: