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Sep 12th, 2015 at 10:32am
 
Extrapolation by scientists hypothesizes that burning all fossil fuels would melt the entire ice sheet of Antarctica causing prospective sea level rise of 200 feet.

This is an interesting analysis in consideration of the prospective growth of population and the fact that the third world countries are increasing their energy production and fossil fuel consumption faster than efficiency increases and renewable energy are reducing fossil fuel consumption of industrialized nations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/science/climate-study-predicts-huge-sea-level-...
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Burning all the world’s deposits of coal, oil and natural gas would raise the temperature enough to melt the entire ice sheet covering Antarctica, driving the level of the sea up by more than 160 feet, scientists reported Friday.

In a major surprise to the scientists, they found that half the melting could occur in as little as a thousand years, causing the ocean to rise by something on the order of a foot per decade, roughly 10 times the rate at which it is rising now. Such a pace would almost certainly throw human society into chaos, forcing a rapid retreat from the world’s coastal cities.

The rest of the earth’s land ice would melt along with Antarctica, and warming ocean waters would expand, so that the total rise of the sea would likely exceed 200 feet, the scientists said.

“To be blunt: If we burn it all, we melt it all,” said Ricarda Winkelmann, a researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany and the lead author of a paper published Friday in the journal Science Advances.

A sea level rise of 200 feet would put almost all of Florida, much of Louisiana and Texas, the entire East Coast of the United States, large parts of Britain, much of the European Plain, and huge parts of coastal Asia under water. The cities lost would include Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Washington, New York, Amsterdam, Stockholm, London, Paris, Berlin, Venice, Buenos Aires, Beijing, Shanghai, Sydney, Rome and Tokyo.

Nobody alive today, nor even their grandchildren, would live to see such a calamity unfold, given the time the melting would take. Yet the new study gives a sense of the risks that future generations face if emissions of greenhouse gases are not brought under control....

Climate scientists have long assumed that countries would recognize the dangers of continuing to dig up and burn the world’s fossil fuels. Yet they have been saying that for 30 years, and political efforts in that time to limit the burning have been ineffectual....

The long-running political gridlock has prompted scientists to start thinking about worst-case scenarios. And recently, major advances have been made in the computerized analysis of the huge ice sheets covering Antarctica and Greenland.

The researchers involved in Friday’s paper decided to use one of these ice-sheet models to attempt the most detailed analysis yet of the potential consequences of burning all fossil fuels. As the first of its kind, the paper is likely to undergo intense scientific scrutiny.

A United Nations panel has said that the rise of the sea would not likely exceed three feet in that period, and would probably be less. While some island nations may be wiped out by a rise of that magnitude, experts believe most major cities could be protected from it, though at a likely cost in the trillions of dollars.

The ice sheets respond slowly enough to changes in the climate that it simply takes longer than a century for large-scale melting to begin. But from that point, the paper found, about half the Antarctic ice sheet would melt or fall into the sea in the first thousand years.

“I didn’t expect it would go so fast,” Dr. Caldeira said. “To melt all of Antarctica, I thought it would take something like 10,000 years.”

The more basic finding that the whole ice sheet could eventually melt is less surprising, at least to scientists who specialize in studying the history of the earth. “As a paleoclimate person, I don’t feel like this is necessarily a shock to me,” said Robert E. Kopp, a professor of earth system history at Rutgers University, who studies sea level but was not involved in the new research...
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Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 10:52am:


The naked guy is the AGW denier.
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In a major surprise to the scientists, they found that half the melting could occur in as little as a thousand years


Global warming is real but melting of the entire Antarctic ice sheet isn't something I am going to be losing any sleep over.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 1:43pm:
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In a major surprise to the scientists, they found that half the melting could occur in as little as a thousand years


Global warming is real but melting of the entire Antarctic ice sheet isn't something I am going to be losing any sleep over.


Why am I not surprised? You slept in a stupor through the previous history of trashing of the planet.
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Unforgiven wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 1:35pm:
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 10:52am:


The naked guy is the AGW denier.


Yes that's his destiny !
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mariacostel wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:08pm:


A symptom of Maria Costel's bare cupboard and 100% empty glass.
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Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:31pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 1:35pm:
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 10:52am:


The naked guy is the AGW denier.


Yes that's his destiny !




if you have your way it sure will be.. however you will also be naked....as just about everything we wear needs power of some sort to get there....that plough that will cultivate the field before it can be planted with cotton... and the harvester to harvest the cotton..... me thinks the old horse and plough will not do the same the job....

as everything uses/needs massive power and you seem to think the sun and wind will take care of everything...

Id like to see that?..

I have yet to see these  guys tell us how a plane will get off the ground and fly for 14 hours...without fossil fuel..


I guess no more shipping
no more rockets into space

we had better get used to isolation as well as nakedness if you say so.
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Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:34pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:08pm:


A symptom of Maria Costel's bare cupboard and 100% empty glass.




can you explain how the world will go without fossil fuel of an y kind...fossil fuel is involved in just about everything humans depend on...

it ok telling us about their experiments to prove humans are causing the ice to melt...

but I havent seen any experiments on how we humans can live without fossil fuel..

I am just curious thats all...I am sure you have all the answers..
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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 10:32am:
The researchers involved in Friday’s paper decided to use one of these ice-sheet models to attempt the most detailed analysis yet of the potential consequences of burning all fossil fuels. As the first of its kind, the paper is likely to undergo intense scientific scrutiny.



Using models that have not been validated again.

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Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 4:08pm:


A symptom of Maria Costel's bare cupboard and 100% empty glass.




can you explain how the world will go without fossil fuel of an y kind...fossil fuel is involved in just about everything humans depend on...

it ok telling us about their experiments to prove humans are causing the ice to melt...

but I havent seen any experiments on how we humans can live without fossil fuel..

I am just curious thats all...I am sure you have all the answers..


I thought you would never ask.

It is indeed easy. The world could switch to renewables like solar energy, wind energy, hydro, tidal energy and nuclear energy. It just takes time and money.

Currently electrical vehicles are gaining in application and acceptance. Even if electric vehicles operate from fossil fueled power generation, the vehicles themselves are more energy efficient efficient than traditional combustion engine vehicles. Furthermore, power station conversion rate of fuel to electrical energy is 55+% - 75+% (combined cycle heat recovery) compared with car combustion energy conversion rate of about 29%.

Working on Tesla supposedly 230 miles on 60 kWh battery, a Toyota Camry would require 9.3 US gallons for 230 mile range which has an energy equivalent 307 kWh. Therefore an electric vehicle uses about 20% partly because of combustion engine inefficiency and partly because electric vehicle recovers energy which is otherwise dissipated by brakes with a combustion engine. The disparity is far higher for stop-start city driving where fuel consumption of combustion engines greatly increases.

Please don't thank me.
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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 6:04pm
 
Then there is the hydrogen that can be generated using renewable energy and that is where your planes and tractors can get their power. We obviously won’t see electric interstate trucks but no reason we can’t see hydrogen powered trucks, planes etc. A cleaner fuel than petroleum fuels.

Coal can be left in the ground as energy source and be used as feed stock for making plastics etc.

Plenty that can be done. Most will be cheaper than now—and no reliance on overseas oil countries—and definitely cleaner.
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Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2015 at 6:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 12th, 2015 at 6:04pm:
Then there is the hydrogen that can be generated using renewable energy and that is where your planes and tractors can get their power. We obviously won’t see electric interstate trucks but no reason we can’t see hydrogen powered trucks, planes etc. A cleaner fuel than petroleum fuels.

Coal can be left in the ground as energy source and be used as feed stock for making plastics etc.

Plenty that can be done. Most will be cheaper than now—and no reliance on overseas oil countries—and definitely cleaner.


But Hydrogen is dangerous stuff to use for transport type vehicles. Look at the Hindenberg.

In its gaseous state it's highly combustible, and as a compressed liquid, there's the risk of terminal frost bite
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