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No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally
Sep 14^th, 2015 at 9:11am

No human is illegal!

No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! ....

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/314849-refugees-cameron-war-syria/
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‘No human is illegal’- protest chants emanating from major UK towns and cities are part of an echo chamber spanning across Europe, with public anger at a climax people are being galvanized into action, defiant against the inaction and apparent inability of their government to help the hundreds of thousands of refugees attempting to reach the safety of European shores. They further reject the stigma that has been attached to the refugees by both the Western elite governments and the press– ‘the illegals’. As Immigration attorney Shahid Haque-Hausrath, commented on the popular use of this label ‘‘I’m not aware of any other circumstance in our common vernacular where a crime is considered to render the individual – as opposed to the individual’s actions – as being illegal. We don’t even refer to our most dangerous and vile criminals as being “illegal.”

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Reply #1 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am

According to the United Nations, 50 per cent are non-Syrian. As to whether they're refugees, well, usually, refugees flees as families. Yet here, from those UN statistics, is the breakdown of those "refugees":

13 per cent children
12 per cent women
75 per cent men

That's not the demographic distribution of fleeing refugees, but of an invading army.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally Reply #2 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:35am Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am: That's not the demographic distribution of fleeing refugees, but of an invading army. You must be thinking of a very odd army.
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Reply #4 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:48am

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

No human is illegal!

No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! .... No human is illegal! ....

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/314849-refugees-cameron-war-syria/
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‘No human is illegal’- protest chants emanating from major UK towns and cities are part of an echo chamber spanning across Europe, with public anger at a climax people are being galvanized into action, defiant against the inaction and apparent inability of their government to help the hundreds of thousands of refugees attempting to reach the safety of European shores. They further reject the stigma that has been attached to the refugees by both the Western elite governments and the press– ‘the illegals’. As Immigration attorney Shahid Haque-Hausrath, commented on the popular use of this label ‘‘I’m not aware of any other circumstance in our common vernacular where a crime is considered to render the individual – as opposed to the individual’s actions – as being illegal. We don’t even refer to our most dangerous and vile criminals as being “illegal.”

I think you are stretching it a bit.....if someone most dangerous entered our country he would be sent bask asap?... so no contest...some who is in fact here illegally it needs to be proved which in our case takes years...

its the definition once again that in question its their actions ILLEGAL actions that give them this name...

if someone robbed you and took everything you owned would you call them a robber/thief or a nice person who has lost his way?..

unless you are perfect.[ Roll Eyes

] then I doubt very much if you do not call a person doing the wrong thing...

a person who IS doing the wrong a thing.. Cheesy

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally Reply #5 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:48am Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am: well, usually, refugees flees as families. . really? where'd you get that from? Usually the men are targetted by dictatorships, not women and children.
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally Reply #6 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:50am Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am: 50 per cent are non-Syrian. and the others from Afhanistan, Iraq, somalia, Sudan, Eretria etc no refugees there are there?
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Reply #7 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:51am

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

According to the United Nations, 50 per cent are non-Syrian. As to whether they're refugees, well, usually, refugees flees as families. Yet here, from those UN statistics, is the breakdown of those "refugees":

13 per cent children
12 per cent women
75 per cent men

That's not the demographic distribution of fleeing refugees, but of an invading army.

I have noticed its mostly men on my TV and in my newspaper pic tures...just saying.. maybe I am unfortunate and only really look at those..

I notice too most of the men with children on their shoulders carry sons...

Im just sayin.

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Reply #8 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

well, usually, refugees flees as families. .

really? where'd you get that from? Cheesy

Usually the men are targetted by dictatorships, not women and children.

women are usually raped and left for dead anyway...but thats ok they keep the dictators happy for a while.,.......

.we will never know what happens to the children..no one seems to be bothered to find out.

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Reply #9 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

well, usually, refugees flees as families. .

really? where'd you get that from? Cheesy

Usually the men are targetted by dictatorships, not women and children.

And if the dictatorship can't arrest/execute/punish the man, they target the family.

If you were frightened enough to run from a dictatorial regime, would you be happy to leave your wife and kids in the firing line??

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Re: No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally
Reply #10 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

cods wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

According to the United Nations, 50 per cent are non-Syrian. As to whether they're refugees, well, usually, refugees flees as families. Yet here, from those UN statistics, is the breakdown of those "refugees":

13 per cent children
12 per cent women
75 per cent men

That's not the demographic distribution of fleeing refugees, but of an invading army.

I have noticed its mostly men on my TV and in my newspaper pic tures...just saying.. maybe I am unfortunate and only really look at those..

I notice too most of the men with children on their shoulders carry sons...

Im just sayin.

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Reply #11 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

well, usually, refugees flees as families. .

really? where'd you get that from? Cheesy

Usually the men are targetted by dictatorships, not women and children.

And if the dictatorship can't arrest/execute/punish the man, they target the family.

If you were frightened enough to run from a dictatorial regime, would you be happy to leave your wife and kids in the firing line??

I am amazed how we have come to accept dictatorships that kill their own people.. and then the fleeing of the remains of their people...

its almost taken for granted now we will have this mass exodus of human beings.. of as we all know mostly MEN.

who once upon a time fought to the death to stop vile dictators from killing all their loved ones..

now its any man to the boats first..

the trouble is not everyone is fleeing... Angry

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135547 Gender:	Re: No human is illegal. British pro-refugee rally Reply #12 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:26pm Stratos wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:35am: Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 10:34am: That's not the demographic distribution of fleeing refugees, but of an invading army. You must be thinking. I remain skeptical.
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Reply #13 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

‘‘I’m not aware of any other circumstance in our common vernacular where a crime is considered to render the individual – as opposed to the individual’s actions – as being illegal. We don’t even refer to our most dangerous and vile criminals as being “illegal". ”

Indeed.

it's all part of the demonising process.

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Reply #14 - Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

‘‘I’m not aware of any other circumstance in our common vernacular where a crime is considered to render the individual – as opposed to the individual’s actions – as being illegal. We don’t even refer to our most dangerous and vile criminals as being “illegal". ”

Indeed.

it's all part of the demonising process.

Law-breaker....

Criminals, crims, gangsters, mobsters, hood, con, convict, jailbird, perps, perpetrators, lawbreaker, Crook, Pilferer, thief, rogue, unlawful non-citizen,.....etc

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