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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #15 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:47am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people!

In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

Hehehe, didn't take you long to start sounding like a Turnbull supporter. Next week and you'll be saying Abbott who? Grin

Its all those subliminal messages Murdoch hides in his Daily Telegraph. In a months time Longy will be telling us how we need a republic and that gay marriage is only fair. Grin

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Reply #17 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:14am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:46am:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

This seems to be starkly different from the conservative view when it was Rudd and Gillard ?

Up till last week we were still hearing about backstabbing turncoat Shorten.

It was blather then, its blather now. And if either party thinks a different leader will win them the election, they will switch again. We have to remember what is really at stake: other people's money.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #18 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:15am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

Labor is toast - finished -

That is a really long bow to draw. Two polls around the mark for a hung Parliament with an election a year away doesn't offer much solace for either side. The Coalition in particular shouldn't get their hopes up. This is the honeymoon period for the Coalition, with Turnbull getting wall to wall coverage on all the media - even the ABC is biased towards him at the moment - so a bounce in the polls that favours the Coalition is inevitable.

Turnbull's major weakness is his refusal to repudiate the Abbott government's more unpopular policies. If the policies are crap, it doesn't matter much who the leader is.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

maybe the Greens will be the second party?

Not likely. The Greens may win a few more seats at the next election but that's still a long way from the 40 seats or so that they would need to have a realistic chance of being the major party in a coalition government, or the 76 seats that they need to govern in their own right.

Having said that, the Greens may gain seats in unexpected places. People are highlighting safe Labor seats as potential targets for the Greens, but the Greens' demographic of young wealthy urban professionals also takes in some safe Liberal seats such as Higgins (Vic). A recent poll in Higgins (pre-Abbott and taken by Labor so salt to taste) put the Greens and Liberals at 50-50 on preferences in Higgins with the Greens ahead of Labor on primaries.

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Reply #19 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people!

In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern. Not to worry about the Labor party. The goal of government is the people of Australia. Not to keep Labor out of government.

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon. But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #20 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

The general population is full of people like this. That's why the Coalition have gained about 4 or 5 points in the opinion polls.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #21 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:26am

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

The general population is full of people like this. That's why the Coalition have gained about 4 or 5 points in the opinion polls.

And that's why there's a real chance that in a few months time we will see that the policies of the government will change (he just needs to ease the changes in slowly). Because a change of leader clearly impacts on the kinds of policies the party persues.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #23 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:35am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people!

In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

Longy logic at its finest ... Roll Eyes

Just posting crap without anything to back it up.

Turnbull's approval rating when replaced by Abbott in 2009 was nearly as low as Abbott's was when Turnbull challenged him a few days ago. It's not a stretch to guess that it can happen again.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

That is an example of the muddle-headed Liberal party born-to-rule mentality. The goal of any government is to govern. A government that only seeks to keep an Opposition out of power or that seeks power just for the sake of power is not fit to govern.

Australia's not doing very well at the moment with the Abbott-Turnbull government. The only thing that will save the Abbott-Turnbull government is for Turnbull to put a big skip outside Parliament and fill it with unpopular Abbott-era policies and deadwood Ministers and impose more moderate policies. Only then will it become a Turnbull government. If he does not do this, the label of the Abbott-Turnbull government will gain traction and his honeymoon will not last long.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #24 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:11am Very small sugar hit, thought there would be a bigger one. The policies are still the same so the sugar rush will wear off soon enough.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #26 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:24am double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am: Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds. Oh boy, what delusion!
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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #27 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people!

In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern. Not to worry about the Labor party. The goal of government is the people of Australia. Not to keep Labor out of government.

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon. But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.

4 days and a 8 point change. If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #29 - Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am

double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

People who say cream rises to the top forget scum rises to the top too. Maybe a good thing not to think in platitudes.

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