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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #30 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:57am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:52am:
double plus good wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:18am:
Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

People who say cream rises to the top forget scum rises to the top too. Maybe a good thing not to think in platitudes.


Why not? Doubleplusgood is always happy to give credit to the cream in the Labor Party. He's most consistent this way.
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Reply #31 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:06pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am:
And it is only the beginning, people!


In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 


4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.



Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed?

Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election.
Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession.
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Reply #32 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
____ wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:06pm:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am:
And it is only the beginning, people!


In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 


4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.



Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed?

Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election.
Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession.


So you are unhappy the Green vote is crashing along with the Labor vote?
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Reply #33 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:22pm
 
double plus good wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:18am:
Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.


.......... or in 2023 ......
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Reply #34 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:24pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:19pm:
____ wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:06pm:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am:
And it is only the beginning, people!


In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 


4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.



Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed?

Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election.
Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession.


So you are unhappy the Green vote is crashing along with the Labor vote?



From a record high to a 3 point higher position than last election ... nice deflection attempt not. So why are the coalition not calling a DD today ... they haven't read your fax message yet?
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Reply #35 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:46pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am:
And it is only the beginning, people!


In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 


4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.


given how poor shorten is, I would've expected 54/46 from day 1 change.  51/49 during a honeymoon period is not significant.  He still has to deal with Tony's poor policies and if he fails on them expect that 51 to dwindle just like it did for Gillard and Rudd after their honeymoons ended.  Considering shortens performance, 51 is nothing to be pleased about.
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Reply #36 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:55pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:46pm:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am:
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am:
And it is only the beginning, people!


In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 


4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.


given how poor shorten is, I would've expected 54/46 from day 1 change.  51/49 during a honeymoon period is not significant.  He still has to deal with Tony's poor policies and if he fails on them expect that 51 to dwindle just like it did for Gillard and Rudd after their honeymoons ended.  Considering shortens performance, 51 is nothing to be pleased about.


It is still a little over 3 days and an 8 point turnaround to a comfortable winning position. From here the future for Labor looks ever bleaker. Imagine how bad it will be for Labor when the government starts making new policies and pushing them through.

Get used to yet another term of the Liberal government.

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Reply #37 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:02pm
 
“making new policies” there is the flaw in that reasoning. Mal can’t make new policies, he has to stick with the toxic policies left him by abbott. Not only that, some minor social issues aside (which he has already betrayed) Mal is just as RW as the loony toon far right in the Lib Party.

That is why they need a massive defeat to get the message that they need to go back to the moderate right and formulate a sensible set of workable, attractive policies.

These should include a Republic, liberal social policies, sensible economic policies including recognition of AGW and the need to turn to clean renewable energy plus adaptation and mitigation of AGW.
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Reply #38 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:07pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
“making new policies” there is the flaw in that reasoning. Mal can’t make new policies, he has to stick with the toxic policies left him by abbott. Not only that, some minor social issues aside (which he has already betrayed) Mal is just as RW as the loony toon far right in the Lib Party.

That is why they need a massive defeat to get the message that they need to go back to the moderate right and formulate a sensible set of workable, attractive policies.

These should include a Republic, liberal social policies, sensible economic policies including recognition of AGW and the need to turn to clean renewable energy plus adaptation and mitigation of AGW.


Keep crying monk. Not so jovial now, are you?
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Reply #39 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
Crying? bwahahahaha! The sugar rush Mal got was tiny, and by accepting all Toxic Tony’s toxic policies he has condemned the Libs to losing the next election.

He gives Snot Morriscum the Treasury we won’t just go into economic recession we will enter an economic depression.

I think you are disappointed at the size of the sugar rush—all your wild talk of 56:44 etc—and are trying to cheer yourself up.
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Reply #40 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm
 
I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement.

It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that?

Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs.

The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month.

A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long.
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Reply #41 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:42pm
 
Turncoat accepted all those policies in QTs this week.
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Reply #42 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm:
I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement.

It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that?

Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs.

The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month.

A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long.


If it is premature to call victory then it is equally premature to call a mere 4 days as the end of the honeymoon. At this rate, the Coalition are COMFORTABLY in the lead and likely to extend it. Given the utter dross that Labor has on offer the chance of a fightback from them is nil.

I still predict a December early election with the off-chance of a Double Dissolution.
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Reply #43 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:20pm
 
You guys are incredible trying to read anything out of very premature virtually meaningless polls.
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Reply #44 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:46pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm:
I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement.

It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that?

Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs.

The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month.

A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long.

If it is premature to call victory then it is equally premature to call a mere 4 days as the end of the honeymoon.

Which I haven't done. It should be obvious that I'm more in the wait-and-see camp.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
At this rate, the Coalition are COMFORTABLY in the lead

51-49 on one poll and 50-50 on another is not a comfortable lead. That's hung Parliament territory.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
and likely to extend it.

There has been nothing so far to indicate this. Turnbull's already demonstrated weakness by retaining unpopular Coalition policies. If the Abbott-led Coalition's poor standing in the polls had a policy component to it, Turnbull's standing is not going to improve much, if at all.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
Given the utter dross that Labor has on offer the chance of a fightback from them is nil.

The two opinion polls that have come out have been 50-50 and a narrow Coalition lead of 51-49. It is far too early to be making predictions of this kind, and it has a distinct air of wishful thinking.

When Napthine replaced the disappointing Baillieu in Victoria, Napthine recorded a similar bounce in the polls. He got to 50-50 in the April 2013 Newspoll and was in front 51-49 in the June 2013 Newspoll. He lost the election.

It is rash to be making predictions in the honeymoon stage with Turnbull in the job less than a week. It would take two or three months before the polls settle down and we can be confident. Even Abbott retained a poll lead for two months before the polling went sour for the Coalition.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
I still predict a December early election with the off-chance of a Double Dissolution.

I don't know where you're getting this "still predicting a December election" rubbish from. You were predicting a July election two or three days ago.  Huh
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