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Reply #75 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor. These two a massive issues for voters.

The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm.

Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster.

The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that.

Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

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Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor.

There is no plan for any carbon tax unfortunately, except for the Liberal no-action tax that is.

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Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.

The disgraceful truth is that Labor is no better than the Liberals and the policy is about the same.

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Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster.

Hasn't improved - no it got a lot worse for no real reason. The Libs have shown us what an economic disaster really looks like. Labor in comparison produced good economic policies and results.

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The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible.

You do know that Turncoat has already committed to run full term. Do you believe that all Liberal leaders are dishonest ?

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #76 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:09pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys.

Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here?

Yep. This is his dead cat bounce, Turncoats was a dud the first attempt and he's a dud now. Wishing it so isn't going to make him a hit with the punters. Unless he changes policies (which he won't do for fear of being ousted again like he was the last time around) he'll fail.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #77 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:10pm Can you name any economists who say the worst is behind us, or did you just make that up, again. I asked once before and got crickets. Growth in the last quarter was zero so the economy is still slowing.
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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #78 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys.

Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here?

No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet.

The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why?

WHo is rejecting polls? Can you show me an example?

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #80 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

stunspore wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion. I have voted lib before. Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far. Selling the same stuff but different salesman.

These will be important factors in the next election:

1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them.
2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed.
3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here.

What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like.

The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign.

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor. These two a massive issues for voters.

The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm.

Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster.

The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that.

Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

I think someone overdosed on stupid pills this morning Grin

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #81 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

stunspore wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion. I have voted lib before. Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far. Selling the same stuff but different salesman.

These will be important factors in the next election:

1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them.
2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed.
3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here.

What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like.

The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign.

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor. These two a massive issues for voters.

The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm.

Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster.

The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that.

Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

What a load of rubbish!

The voters want meaningful action on climate change and have rejected the Coalition's half-arsed effort. Your assertion that voters don't want a carbon tax is baseless. Last month, Essential Vision asked whether Australia is doing enough to combat climate change. A majority of respondents (53%) said we're not doing enough as opposed to only 7% who said we're doing too much. 24% said we're doing enough and 16% didn't know. That is a clear rejection of Coalition policy.

You're massively overstating the case for "boats". Voters worry more about their own jobs, whether they can pay the bills and so on. The economy is moribund and likely to slip into recession. If that happens, the Coalition are going to get hammered. The refugee crisis in Europe is shifting voters' views on the issue and they're more likely to favour a more humane policy rather than the frothy-mouthed far-right ratbaggery that the Coalition have foised upon an unwilling public.

And the most ludicrous part of your post is the assertion: "Libs to win with little to no loss of seats." With a moribund economy, massive blow-out in debt and deficit, a long list of broken promises and deeply unpopular policies? When voters see that Turnbull's keeping the same crap policies as Abbott, the slender poll lead won't last.

Longy, why do you post this crap?

That is neither clear nor a rejection of anything whatsoever. Asking motherhood type questions elicit the answers you want. Now get them to run a survey on whether or not they want a carbon tax and see how that works out. This is the classic climate change faux survey methodology: ask a question that most will agree with and then reinterpret the question to mean something entirely different - which is EXACTLY what you have done.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #82 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one

you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year.

At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government.

But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing...

I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it. Cheesy

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #83 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one

you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year.

At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government.

But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing...

I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it. Cheesy

And only 34% supported it. Now you ask the question about the other 36%. Well, clever people do, you probably would not.

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #84 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

First poll AP has posted in 16 months ?

I would think that at this point any poll is meaningless.

I am surprised and even dismayed he even thinks POLLS are worthy... especially on here... I have never used one..

to think this country is now being driven by POLLS.. we have got to be the laughing stock...

we are only one step away from Warlords taking over the country...do they really think we believe them when they blame the POLLS for their vile deeds... assassination is assassination..they had been plotting and planning for weeks if not months.. well we know both krudd and turncoat waited in the wings licking their wounds waiting to pounce....for all we know turdballs and bishop were the leaks.. just like we know krudd was, on gillards watch......disgusting.. they are not people I want running my govt...

and I dont want POLLS to run it either.. Angry

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Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor
Reply #85 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one

you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year.

At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government.

But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing...

I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it. Cheesy

And only 34% supported it. Now you ask the question about the other 36%. Well, clever people do, you probably would not.

What are you rambling on about? 36% are indifferent. That doesn't mean they oppose it. it means they don't care enough for it to influence their vote. Your original statement was that most people OPPOSE
the carbon tax, I've proven that most people in fact do not oppose the carbon tax, now be a good girl and stop making up crap.

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Reply #86 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

stunspore wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion. I have voted lib before. Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far. Selling the same stuff but different salesman.

These will be important factors in the next election:

1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them.
2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed.
3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here.

What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like.

The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign.

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor. These two a massive issues for voters.

The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm.

Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster.

The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that.

Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

What a load of rubbish!

The voters want meaningful action on climate change and have rejected the Coalition's half-arsed effort. Your assertion that voters don't want a carbon tax is baseless. Last month, Essential Vision asked whether Australia is doing enough to combat climate change. A majority of respondents (53%) said we're not doing enough as opposed to only 7% who said we're doing too much. 24% said we're doing enough and 16% didn't know. That is a clear rejection of Coalition policy.

You're massively overstating the case for "boats". Voters worry more about their own jobs, whether they can pay the bills and so on. The economy is moribund and likely to slip into recession. If that happens, the Coalition are going to get hammered. The refugee crisis in Europe is shifting voters' views on the issue and they're more likely to favour a more humane policy rather than the frothy-mouthed far-right ratbaggery that the Coalition have foised upon an unwilling public.

And the most ludicrous part of your post is the assertion: "Libs to win with little to no loss of seats." With a moribund economy, massive blow-out in debt and deficit, a long list of broken promises and deeply unpopular policies? When voters see that Turnbull's keeping the same crap policies as Abbott, the slender poll lead won't last.

Longy, why do you post this crap?

That is neither clear nor a rejection of anything whatsoever. Asking motherhood type questions elicit the answers you want. Now get them to run a survey on whether or not they want a carbon tax and see how that works out. This is the classic climate change faux survey methodology: ask a question that most will agree with and then reinterpret the question to mean something entirely different - which is EXACTLY what you have done.

What have you done? Just posted crap with NOTHING WHATSOEVER to back it up. Like you ALWAYS do. Calling Labor's policy a "carbon tax" is a deliberate misrepresentation. Labor's policy is to introduce a market-based ETS. Calling it a "tax" is a lie. Why do you lie so much?

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #87 - Sep 19^th, 2015 at 6:44pm Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Why do you lie so much? she's a lib .. it's genetic
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #88 - Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:32pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:47pm: Looks like we have another 4 years of Libbo government. Shorty can't win now. The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is. -- Yoda
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Leadership coup propels Coalition ahead of Labor Reply #89 - Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:36pm Longy STILL crapping on about the economy in recovery mode according to economists without linking a single article or naming ONE economist supporting that? Zero growth last quarter except for govt defense spending is NOT a sign the economy is recovering.
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