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Has anyone explained why? The Twin Towers disaster
Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:41am
 
Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone?

I've been trying to make sense of this.

The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action.

And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies.

What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster?

These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths.

343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know.

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Re: Has anyone explained why? The Twin Towers disaster
Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone?

I've been trying to make sense of this.

The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action.

And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies.

What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster?

These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths.

343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know.

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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am
 

Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.

If it's too dangerous to enter the burning building, they don't, whatever the consequences may be.
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Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:35am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.

If it's too dangerous to enter the burning building, they don't, whatever the consequences may be.


Ahhh good point.

However, nothing about this incident was routine.

This incident was in fact unique..particularly in terms of scale.


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Reply #4 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:40am
 
Anyway, "the truth" about 9/11 will take time to surface.

Given the HISTORY of how the U.S govt operates....there's no doubt in my mind that the impending attacks were known....and allowed to proceed.

Anyone ever heard of Pearl Harbour?

Same type of thing happened there.

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Reply #5 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:30am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.


Wrong answer.

In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower.

That's two dud answers so far.

Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question?

Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario.






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Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:33am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:30am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.


Wrong answer.

In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower.

That's two dud answers so far.

Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question?

Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario.








What are you implying?

Do you know the answer?

I don't think you do.
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Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone?

I've been trying to make sense of this.

The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action.

And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies.

What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster?

These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths.

343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know.

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It is a fierce sense of duty that incites people to do their employment, despite the danger. I work in the transport industry, considered part of the most dangerous jobs in Australia. Though, I think my job really only entails the threat of car accidents. I have also worked in the taxi industry. That entailed the threat of robberies, car accidents, assaults. Finally, in my younger days, I worked in retail. The threat I had received was verbal abuse, sexual harassment, age discrimination, and a robbery (with a few attempted robberies).

However, these threats and incidents pale in comparison to the arduous circumstances that the fire officials had to endure on one day of their lives. Unfortunately, many of them had to make that sacrifice to try and save the lives of a few. Those sacrifices included having to run up the stairs to the impact zone with little protection. Not many of those fire officials would have thought that the towers were to collapse. But I bet all of them had a strong idea that the towers could collapse. To go in and save some lives despite the odds, that is bravery.

I sat at home, watching some of the events unfold on the news. Though I thought that the first tower would not fall, there was little doubt that at some point in the future, the second tower would have probably fallen. Either demolished a few days later for safety considerations, or as a result of the impact and fire damage.

Realistically, Herbert, you should show the decision of emergency services personnel a lot more respect.
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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 2:03pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:40am:
Anyway, "the truth" about 9/11 will take time to surface.

Given the HISTORY of how the U.S govt operates....there's no doubt in my mind that the impending attacks were known....and allowed to proceed.

Anyone ever heard of Pearl Harbour?

Same type of thing happened there.


Whilst I know that the U.S. government/Pentagon knew that the attacks were going to happen, it was a matter of where and when that was in question. You can't have an alliance with Osama bin Laden, and not know that the attacks were not going to happen. I have watched documentary after documentary on the subject of "911", and I'm quite satisfied that the United States government (particularly Bush) had inside knowledge of an attack, but let it happen.

Look back to 1982, and a young OBL has claimed to have decided to attack the United States, due to the United States support of Israel. Chances are, Usama bin Muhammad bin awad bin Laden must have been inspired by his own father Sheik Muhammad bin Laden. Sheik bin Laden inspired Osama to attack Israel, by attacking the United States. With the financial support of the United States disabled, the Arab world would have had a better chance against Israel.

source: "Osama bin Laden" by Michael Scheuer
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Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:02pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:33am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:30am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.


Wrong answer.

In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower.

That's two dud answers so far.

Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question?

Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario.








What are you implying?

Do you know the answer?

I don't think you do.



I don't know the answer, but I'm not looking for diversionary comments and irrelevancies here.

Be specific.

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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm
 
I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb.

WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse.

There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm
 
Herb they kept entering the buildings because they didn't expect them to fall down.

There is no way the twin towers could have fallen by being hit with a Boeing 767 Aeroplane.

That rubbish about the fuel melting the steel is just that rubbish, look up at what temperature steel melts and the hottest temperature that aircraft fuel can achieve.

Other buildings (skyscrapers) have had hotter fires burning for longer and NONE have fallen.

The twin towers and building seven were brought to the ground by controlled demolition.

Controlled demolition.



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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 5:13pm
 
Architects and Engineers in the USA refuse to believe the evidence presented by the NIST reports.

http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

These two wrap it up nicely imo.



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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 5:26pm
 
Amadd wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm:
I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb.

WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse.

There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks



Bingo! Onya Amadd!
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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2015 at 6:04pm
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm:
Herb they kept entering the buildings because they didn't expect them to fall down.

There is no way the twin towers could have fallen by being hit with a Boeing 767 Aeroplane.

That rubbish about the fuel melting the steel is just that rubbish, look up at what temperature steel melts and the hottest temperature that aircraft fuel can achieve.

Other buildings (skyscrapers) have had hotter fires burning for longer and NONE have fallen.

The twin towers and building seven were brought to the ground by controlled demolition.

Controlled demolition.






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