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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:15am
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107289 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:18am CNN)A stampede during one of the last rituals of the Hajj season -- the annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca -- has killed more than 700 people and injured close to 900 others in Saudi Arabia. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/middleeast/stampede-hajj-pilgrimage/index.html
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:25am Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #3 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:34am Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21747 ACT Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #4 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:43am Jenny will be pleased, more dead muslims, near 800 wasnt it.
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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:47am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:25am:

Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.

This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes.

The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward.

The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands.

I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam.

Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen.

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13797 Colorado Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am Marla wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am: Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie? God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?! Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ... Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:04am Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:43am: Jenny will be pleased, more dead muslims, near 800 wasnt it. 800? would have to be a million X that amount to please me.
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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:18am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Well Herbie, once you post some "subject matter" that is not:

1. racist
2. sexist
3. homophobic
4. misogynistic
5. xenophobic

then I might consider it.

Hey, I'm only playing down to your level.

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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:25am:

Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.

This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes.

The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward.

The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/tubed.png

I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam.

Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen.

Thank you Herb and i concur heartily with your sentiments. This is not because of fanatisism its because 2 million people were in one place without adequate controls. As the abc correspondent said this morning this event happens wvery year so it is a very predictable potential disaster. According to reports it was caused by one crowd taking the "wrong" path and converging with another crowd coming the other way. The Saudis excuse is that they were told not to go that way. Well sorry, not good enough - why weren't they physically prevented from going? Heads should role over this - starting from the minister in charge. Yet initial statements from the government are already stating that no one from the government is to blame. What a joke. Blind freddy can see this was a gigantic, and very predictable, cock-up by the government.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Marla wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?

God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?!

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university.

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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:25am:

Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.

This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes.

The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward.

The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/tubed.png

I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam.

Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen.

Thank you Herb and i concur heartily with your sentiments. This is not because of fanatisism its because 2 million people were in one place without adequate controls. As the abc correspondent said this morning this event happens wvery year so it is a very predictable potential disaster. According to reports it was caused by one crowd taking the "wrong" path and converging with another crowd coming the other way. The Saudis excuse is that they were told not to go that way. Well sorry, not good enough - why weren't they physically prevented from going? Heads should role over this - starting from the minister in charge. Yet initial statements from the government are already stating that no one from the government is to blame. What a joke. Blind freddy can see this was a gigantic, and very predictable, cock-up by the government.

Exactly.

It's totally inexcusable.

I hope the relatives of the deceased sue the Saudi government into bankruptcy over this awful tragedy that has cost so many innocent lives. How awful for the families back home to have to learn that their loved ones aren't coming home.

In my other life I had good friends who had done the hajj, and others who were yet to make the pilgrimage.

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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:02pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Marla wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?

God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?!

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university.

Ooooooo you're nasty ... Marla will come back at you with her claws out now. (after she's finished her toke, of course).

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Re: A visit to Mecca is not for the faint-hearted ...
Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:09pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Marla wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?

God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?!

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university.

Ooooooo you're nasty ... Marla will come back at you with her claws out now. (after she's finished her toke, of course).

Ya still think he's a girl ?......jeez Herb anybody can see its a guy called Marlon (not Brando - he slid off the plate long ago)......

If he'll "walk for weed" what else will he do?

Grin

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