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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #30 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:13am

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

I've often thought the most tidy, well-organized and respectful parts of India are its ashrams. Everywhere else is chaos. Ashrams function so well because those who participate do so for a higher purpose. When you're eating or talking or doing work, you're not doing so to eat or talk or work, you're doing it as service to the community and, ultimately, to God. When you feed yourself, you're feeding God. When you're talking to someone, you're talking to god. When you're working, you're not sweeping a path, you're meditating on God.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit.

Not at all.There is no Muslim spiritual community akin to ashrams and monasteries.

Very true. Islam does not have a monastic tradition. Islam aims to bring that tradition to laypeople: families, households, communities.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #31 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

I've often thought the most tidy, well-organized and respectful parts of India are its ashrams. Everywhere else is chaos. Ashrams function so well because those who participate do so for a higher purpose. When you're eating or talking or doing work, you're not doing so to eat or talk or work, you're doing it as service to the community and, ultimately, to God. When you feed yourself, you're feeding God. When you're talking to someone, you're talking to god. When you're working, you're not sweeping a path, you're meditating on God.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit.

Not at all.There is no Muslim spiritual community akin to ashrams and monasteries. The communal expressions of Islam are mass rallies like the self-flogging of the shia and the mass rallies at hajj and the stoning of the pillars. The reason is simple: there is no communing with god in Islam because Allah is utterly inaccessible. You can't meditate on Allah, or commune with Allah.

Simply because he was all made up. Every muslim knows its bogus hence the anger at being forced to carry on with the nonsense and be laughed at by every other civilization on the planted.

I suppose it would help if there was any evidence at all their book actually existed withing 100 years of there supposed made up prophets death. Which incidentally there is no proof mohammed even existed either.

Times have changed there is no need for an arab mein kampf anymore. You can't overthrow countries and grow civilizations with barbarianism and mallah snackbars.

Time for people to let go of the nonsense and get a happy life.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #32 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

[quote author=Karnal link=1443162087/26#26 date=1443401575]

I've often thought the most tidy, well-organized and respectful parts of India are its ashrams. Everywhere else is chaos. Ashrams function so well because those who participate do so for a higher purpose. When you're eating or talking or doing work, you're not doing so to eat or talk or work, you're doing it as service to the community and, ultimately, to God. When you feed yourself, you're feeding God. When you're talking to someone, you're talking to god. When you're working, you're not sweeping a path, you're meditating on God.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit. [/quote]
Not at all.There is no Muslim spiritual community akin to ashrams and monasteries.

Very true. Islam does not have a monastic tradition. Islam aims to bring that tradition to laypeople: families, households, communities.

So why the hell would you say a stupid thing like "The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit."

They are clearly not in the same spirit. Communing with god in a monastery or an ashram is NOTHING like not communing with Allah in families, households, communities, and self-flaggelation festivals and regular, deadly stampedes in Mecca.

All you freaking diversity mongers are positively dying not to notice a difference even as it swings its hideous sharia-compliant schwanz in your faces. And you of all people, PB, a student of big dirty sharia-compliant schwanzes.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: You wonder why muslims are killers Reply #33 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:50pm No wonder israel blows the shyte out of the palestinian rodents day in day out, good on em at least they have balls.
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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #34 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

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It's advice on how to conduct yourself in medieval Arabia. Those who follow these rules today miss the point, as do Orthodox Jews who follow the laws of Leviticus.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit.

No one is talking about common sense rules, I'm talking about indoctrinations that are nothing but utterly stupid superstitions.

Manners of Going to The Toilet

Supplication Before Entering
When going to the toilet the messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) would wear footwear. He would cover his blessed head and before stepping into the room, he would read:

'Bismillah' 'Allah-Hum-ma Inni A'oodhu-bika Minal Khu-buthi Wal-kha-baith'

'O Allah I seek your protection from the male and female devils.'

We should try and learn these short supplications and practise them too. If we do not seek Allah's (The Exalted) protection from the devils, then there is a chance we can be affected with mental illnesses from the devils. We can not see the devils and when you can not see your enemy they are more dangerous. May Allah (The Exalted) protect and give us the ability to follow the Sunnah, Ameen.

1. Cover your head.
2. Enter with the left foot.
3. Any item (e.g. ring, locket etc.) that has the names of Allah (The Exalted) or His beloved Messenger (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) or any verse of the Qur'an, should be removed before entering the toilet. An Amulet (Ta'weez) can be worn as long as it is covered.
4. It is forbidden (Haram) to face or have the back facing towards the Qibla whilst relieving oneself.
5. It is best to lower oneself as much as possible before uncovering the body.
6. Put slight pressure on the left leg it makes it relieving easier.
7. One should be very careful about the splashing of urine (as this is a grave sin). One should sit to urinate.
8. One should not talk in the toilet without absolute necessity but if a person outside is calling and does not know then cough thrice to make them aware. This includes the use of a mobile phone be it for texting as this is not the place to do such things.
9. When two people talk when the body is uncovered Allah (The Exalted) is displeased.
10. Hold the container in the right hand whilst cleansing with the left.
11. The right hand should not be used to cleanse oneself. Unless there is a problem with the left hand then one can use the right hand.
12. Use the left hand middle three fingers for cleanings.
13. The sister should cleanse themselves with the lower palm of the left hand and do not separate the legs to wide.
14. Wash in odd numbers i.e. 1, 3, 5 or 7 times.
15. When cleansing yourself, males should hold their penis from the top with the left hand index finger and the thumb. Gently work your way down (as if milking an animal) so if drops are left they will come out.
16. After performing urination, if you feel that another drop of urine will come, then it is wajib for you to perform 'Istibrao' meaning after urination to perform some act that would force the urine left inside, to come out .
17. First wash the front then the back.
18. After cleansing with water you can dry yourself with some tissue.
19. After you have relieved yourself, wash your hands up to the wrists thrice.
20. Without necessity do not look at your private parts as there is a chance of the memory becoming weak.
21. Do not sit on the toilet for a long time as there is a chance of getting piles.
22. Do not play with your clothing or body, nor look here or there, nor look above, and do not touch your body without necessity.
23. Do not spit or clean your nose in the toilet.
24. Soon as you have cleansed yourself cover yourself as soon as possible.
25. When leaving the toilet one should step out with the right foot.

Supplication on Leaving
Once outside the toilet read this supplication :

'Ghuf-raa-naka Al-ham-du-Lil-la-hil-ladhi Adh-haba 'An-nil Adhaa Wa-'Aa-faani'
'O Allah I seek Your pardon. All praises are due to Allah who has taken away from me discomfort and granted me relief.'

The above 25 rules to go to the toilet have nothing at all to do with common sense, they are self indoctrinating buncombe.

Then you have the illogical rules for sleeping, eating, laughing, getting dressed, getting undressed, licking your fingers, drinking with the right hand because the devil drinks with his left, raising and lowering your glass etc. etc. these have nothing to do with common sense they are rules to develop islamic fanaticism.

Couple the self indoctrinated islamic fanatic with the myriad of verses in the qur'an which preach the sacred right of muslims to rape, torture and mass murder, you have exactly what we have today, muslims from all around the world actively carrying out their islamic inhumane atrocities, totally convinced they are on the right and only path to paradise, with the inexhaustible supply of houris with big tits (another piece of self indoctrinating drivel).

islam is most certainly the worlds largest cult of killers.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #35 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

moses wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Karnal wrote:

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It's advice on how to conduct yourself in medieval Arabia. Those who follow these rules today miss the point, as do Orthodox Jews who follow the laws of Leviticus.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit.

No one is talking about common sense rules, I'm talking about indoctrinations that are nothing but utterly stupid superstitions.

Manners of Going to The Toilet

Supplication Before Entering
When going to the toilet the messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) would wear footwear. He would cover his blessed head and before stepping into the room, he would read:

'Bismillah' 'Allah-Hum-ma Inni A'oodhu-bika Minal Khu-buthi Wal-kha-baith'

'O Allah I seek your protection from the male and female devils.'

We should try and learn these short supplications and practise them too. If we do not seek Allah's (The Exalted) protection from the devils, then there is a chance we can be affected with mental illnesses from the devils. We can not see the devils and when you can not see your enemy they are more dangerous. May Allah (The Exalted) protect and give us the ability to follow the Sunnah, Ameen.

1. Cover your head.
2. Enter with the left foot.
3. Any item (e.g. ring, locket etc.) that has the names of Allah (The Exalted) or His beloved Messenger (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) or any verse of the Qur'an, should be removed before entering the toilet. An Amulet (Ta'weez) can be worn as long as it is covered.
4. It is forbidden (Haram) to face or have the back facing towards the Qibla whilst relieving oneself.
5. It is best to lower oneself as much as possible before uncovering the body.
6. Put slight pressure on the left leg it makes it relieving easier.
7. One should be very careful about the splashing of urine (as this is a grave sin). One should sit to urinate.
8. One should not talk in the toilet without absolute necessity but if a person outside is calling and does not know then cough thrice to make them aware. This includes the use of a mobile phone be it for texting as this is not the place to do such things.
9. When two people talk when the body is uncovered Allah (The Exalted) is displeased.
10. Hold the container in the right hand whilst cleansing with the left.
11. The right hand should not be used to cleanse oneself. Unless there is a problem with the left hand then one can use the right hand.
12. Use the left hand middle three fingers for cleanings.
13. The sister should cleanse themselves with the lower palm of the left hand and do not separate the legs to wide.
14. Wash in odd numbers i.e. 1, 3, 5 or 7 times.
15. When cleansing yourself, males should hold their penis from the top with the left hand index finger and the thumb. Gently work your way down (as if milking an animal) so if drops are left they will come out.
16. After performing urination, if you feel that another drop of urine will come, then it is wajib for you to perform 'Istibrao' meaning after urination to perform some act that would force the urine left inside, to come out .
17. First wash the front then the back.
18. After cleansing with water you can dry yourself with some tissue.
19. After you have relieved yourself, wash your hands up to the wrists thrice.
20. Without necessity do not look at your private parts as there is a chance of the memory becoming weak.
21. Do not sit on the toilet for a long time as there is a chance of getting piles.
22. Do not play with your clothing or body, nor look here or there, nor look above, and do not touch your body without necessity.
23. Do not spit or clean your nose in the toilet.
24. Soon as you have cleansed yourself cover yourself as soon as possible.
25. When leaving the toilet one should step out with the right foot.

Supplication on Leaving
Once outside the toilet read this supplication :

'Ghuf-raa-naka Al-ham-du-Lil-la-hil-ladhi Adh-haba 'An-nil Adhaa Wa-'Aa-faani'
'O Allah I seek Your pardon. All praises are due to Allah who has taken away from me discomfort and granted me relief.'

The above 25 rules to go to the toilet have nothing at all to do with common sense, they are self indoctrinating buncombe.

Then you have the illogical rules for sleeping, eating, laughing, getting dressed, getting undressed, licking your fingers, drinking with the right hand because the devil drinks with his left, raising and lowering your glass etc. etc. these have nothing to do with common sense they are rules to develop islamic fanaticism.

Couple the self indoctrinated islamic fanatic with the myriad of verses in the qur'an which preach the sacred right of muslims to rape, torture and mass murder, you have exactly what we have today, muslims from all around the world actively carrying out their islamic inhumane atrocities, totally convinced they are on the right and only path to paradise, with the inexhaustible supply of houris with big tits (another piece of self indoctrinating drivel).

islam is most certainly the worlds largest cult of killers.

That explains why the young muslim lad at work takes so long in the dunny can.

Grin

You would have to be seriously daft or a royal simpleton to swallow 1/10th of that crap let alone all of it.

Who ever made these laws was very smart though, he dominated every aspect of their lives. No time for rebellion just like a cult scenario.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #36 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:54pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

[quote author=Karnal link=1443162087/26#26 date=1443401575]

I've often thought the most tidy, well-organized and respectful parts of India are its ashrams. Everywhere else is chaos. Ashrams function so well because those who participate do so for a higher purpose. When you're eating or talking or doing work, you're not doing so to eat or talk or work, you're doing it as service to the community and, ultimately, to God. When you feed yourself, you're feeding God. When you're talking to someone, you're talking to god. When you're working, you're not sweeping a path, you're meditating on God.

The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit. [/quote]
Not at all.There is no Muslim spiritual community akin to ashrams and monasteries.

Very true. Islam does not have a monastic tradition. Islam aims to bring that tradition to laypeople: families, households, communities.

So why the hell would you say a stupid thing like "The rules we're discussing for Muslims are in the same spirit."

They are clearly not in the same spirit.

Thanks for that, old boy. A compelling response.

You might want to use bigger text next time. You know, jazz it up a bit.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #37 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:58pm

Manners Of Drinking
1. Pray 'Bismillah Hirahma Niraheem' and drink with your right hand as the devil drinks and eats with the left hand.
2. To sit and drink.
3. Drink by taking three separate sips and not all at once. Separate the utensil from the mouth each time.
4. Whilst drinking, suck the drink and do not make a noise.
5. Do not blow into any drink for cooling.
6. Say 'Alhamdulillahi Rabbil 'Aalameen' after drinking.
7. It is not permissible to throw away the left over drink.
8. Always cover the water that is left in a glass, jug or pot.
9. Drink where you can see in the container.

Supplication After Drinking Water
'Alhamdulilla Hilladhi Saqana 'Adhbann Furotann Birrahmatihi Walam Yaj'Alhu Milhann Ujajann Bidhunoo Binaa'

'All praise is due to Allah (The Exalted) who has given us fresh sweet water through His mercy and did not make it salty and bitter due to our sins'

Supplication After Drinking Milk
Pray 'Bismillah' and pray this supplication after drinking milk:

'Allahumma Baarik Lana Feehi Wazidna Minhu'

'O Allah grant us blessings in it (the milk) and increase it for us.'

Milk has both nutrients of food and drink. When a child is born all it has is milk and this is sufficient for so many months. This is why we should thank Allah (The Exalted) and ask Him to increase it for us.

10. Not to drink from a big container like a jug or bottle etc. but from a cup or glass.
11. One should not drink from a chipped end of a cup.
12. The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) has prohibited the usage of gold and silver utensils.
13. In the hadith it states, whoever makes utensils make from earth for their house, as the angles visit that house.
14. Drinking water after meals is not the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) especially, if the water is very hot or cold as both are harmful.
15. There is cure from (the drink) that a Muslim has drunk from.
16. One serving should drink last.
17. Nowadays, many people drink with the left hand mostly whilst eating and think it is against the practice to drink with the right hand, the Islamic practice is to drink with the right hand.
18. To cover the utensils when not in use, be it with a stick if nothing else is available.
Imam Shafi states that four things make the body idle, excessive sexual intercourse, too much thinking, too much drinking of water when hungry, and too much pepper.

Always drink with the left hand when drinking with a muslim.
Its enough to drive one batty after going to the loo.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #38 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:00am

To shave is haraam
To shave off the beard is forbidden (haraam) and one who shaves his beard is legally speaking an unrighteous fellow (fasiq-open sinner); hence, it is not permissible to appoint such a man as an Imam. To pray Taraweeh or any Salaah behind such an Imam is Makrooh-e-Tehrimi (near prohibition). If prayed it is necessary to repeat the prayer.

The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) states that, 'Anyone who shaves has no claim to the Mercy of Allah (The Exalted).'

'The beard in its time (i.e. when it begins to grow) is the cause of handsomeness and adornment, which is completely lost upon shaving it.'

How to measure
Take the beard in your fist that is below the chin and take it towards the throat. Grip all the hair into your fist and in your hand you should only have a fist full of hair. Make sure no part of your hand is touching the chin. The hair that is below the fist can be trimmed.

Manner of the Beard
1. The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) blessed beard was so thick and long that it filled his blessed chest.
2. To trim off the beard in excess of one fist length so that it becomes neat and tidy.
3. To trim the moustache. (The hair of the moustache should not be allowed to reach the lip.) Imam Malik and Imam Shafi'i detested those who shaved their moustache.
4. The moustache be trimmed in such a manner that it looks similar to the eyebrows.
5. To dye the hair with 'henna' leaves (red colour) or to simply leave it white.
6. To keep the moustache hair long from the sides is no problem. Some pious people would keep their moustache in this manner.
7. The hair and nails should be buried and to flush them is disliked (Makrooh) as there is a chance of illness spreading.
8. To use black dye is forbidden and to use henna is permissible.
9. Four things should be buried, blood, hair, nails and the cloth that has been used for the menstrual period (Haiz).

Well there goes the good ole beard down the proverbial toilet.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: You wonder why muslims are killers Reply #40 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:28am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:20am: No citation. What a surprise. Here let me hold your hand Mr peccarypantsdown. http://www.zikr.co.uk/content/view/54/94/ Next time take the little mouse and keyboard and google it yourself. Enjoy the nuttery.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138755 Gender:	Re: You wonder why muslims are killers Reply #41 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:31am ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:28am: Next time take the little mouse and keyboard and google it yourself. No, next time cite a reference. It's what adults do.
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Reply #42 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

Next time take the little mouse and keyboard and google it yourself.

No, next time cite a reference.

It's what adults do.

No next time deal with the content and if citing a reference is needed I may cite one. I may make you google it if I wish. That's what adults do to teach children to think for themselves. Children like you.

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Re: You wonder why muslims are killers
Reply #43 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:38am

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

Next time take the little mouse and keyboard and google it yourself.

No, next time cite a reference.

It's what adults do.

No next time deal with the content and if citing a reference is needed I may cite one. I may make you google it if I wish. That's what adults do to teach children to think for themselves. Children like you.

Why are you so obsessed with children?

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Reply #44 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:43am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

Next time take the little mouse and keyboard and google it yourself.

No, next time cite a reference.

It's what adults do.

No next time deal with the content and if citing a reference is needed I may cite one. I may make you google it if I wish. That's what adults do to teach children to think for themselves. Children like you.

Why are you so obsessed with children?

I'm not obsessed with children, I like to teach children like you lessons so that you can grow intellectually.

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