Australian Politics Forum - Gandalf..got a question for you.

Super Nova

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 3065
Everywhere
Gender: male

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #105 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:53am

ordinaryguy, some of that is pretty scary. let me raise it with Muslims at work and I will get back with what they have to say.

I am not going to counter these facts. I don't know the context of the verses. I was under the impression, and happy to be proven wrong, that they all had contextual and historical context behind them all. We all know nutters take thing literally when they feel like it nd out of context. I cannot dispute you.

The words are there. Getting more scary by the moment.

Back to top

IP Logged

Lord Herbert

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 34441
Gender: male

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #106 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 5:25am

Contrary to gandalf's journey towards becoming a prisoner-of-the-mind to religious blackmail, I myself travelled in the opposite direction - towards the Light of rational, unfettered, liberal free-thinking in which I didn't allow my reasoning-powers to become hostage to delusional psychopathy.

What does surprise me about Gandalf's Confession is why an intelligent fellow like him would feel the need to go shopping for an established religion in the first place. He seems to have actually taken home the 'Illustrated Religions of the World for Dummies' Buy-Now-Pay-Later catalogue.

The established religions carry a lot of unnecessary and superfluous baggage with them that add nothing to the claim that there is a Benign Creator who looks over each and every one of us like a fly on the wall or a high definition CCTV.

Gandalf bought it. He was sold on the whole box-and-dice that we know-and-love as 'Islam'.

And of course, the more versed and knowledgeable one becomes about a particular subject - no matter how fanciful - the more does ones self-esteem depend upon this subject as a vehicle for ones ego.

Given sufficient time, and with the proper kind of skilled therapy, most religionists such as gandalf can be de-cultified and returned to a normal and productive life, albeit with the occasional refresher on the couch.

The existence of a God doesn't depend upon religious belief and the 'worship' of cowed congregations who attend church or the mosque as an insurance against the After-life.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:13am by Lord Herbert »

IP Logged

Lisa Jones

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #107 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:06am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

that is a surprise ...

Don't let The Revelation that gandalf is a Pom spoil your day. There are more of us here ... Lots more ... Be Afraid ... Be VERY afraid ...

I'm more frightened of the fact that Gandalf doesn't know how to spell his heritage name.

It's very telling.

Back to top

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

IP Logged

issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #108 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05am This business is reminiscent of David Hicks, another dirt-bag who became so intoxicated with Islam that he would say anything in its defence.
Back to top	No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion. IP Logged

Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #109 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:12am issuevoter wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05am: This business is reminiscent of David Hicks, another dirt-bag who became so intoxicated with Islam that he would say anything in its defence. One of a long line.... Oh and I don't believe Gandalf is anything but a 1st Gen Aussie like myself.
Back to top	If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free. HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415) IP Logged

Johnsmith

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 4716
Gender: male

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #110 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:52am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:23am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:06am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

that is a surprise ...

Don't let The Revelation that gandalf is a Pom spoil your day. There are more of us here ... Lots more ... Be Afraid ... Be VERY afraid ...

Yeah I thought that was a cracker Grin

Like so many Italians, John Smith suffers from Terminal Anglophobia from when the Romans arrived in Britain and tasted the local food.

Tripe
Haggis
Jellied eels
Black Pudding
Spotted Dick
Pig's trotters
Ox tongue
Lumpy porridge

Anglophobia? do be such a daft twit herb.... I like Anglo's, it's you I don't like.
As for your list, you actually eat that crap? I thought its purpose was simply to scare away the invaders?

Back to top

When politicians offer you something for nothing, or something that sounds too good to be true, it's always worth taking a careful second look.
(Malcolm Turncoat)

IP Logged

Lisa Jones

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #111 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:23am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:06am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

that is a surprise ...

Don't let The Revelation that gandalf is a Pom spoil your day. There are more of us here ... Lots more ... Be Afraid ... Be VERY afraid ...

Yeah I thought that was a cracker Grin

Like so many Italians, John Smith suffers from Terminal Anglophobia from when the Romans arrived in Britain and tasted the local food.

Tripe
Haggis
Jellied eels
Black Pudding
Spotted Dick
Pig's trotters
Ox tongue
Lumpy porridge

Anglophobia? do be such a daft twit herb.... I like Anglo's, it's you I don't like.
As for your list, you actually eat that crap? I thought its purpose was simply to scare away the invaders?

Spotted Dick??

Now I'm afraid. Very afraid. Undecided

Back to top

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

IP Logged

Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #112 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:57am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:55am: Spotted Dick?? Now I'm afraid. Very afraid Herb loves dick ... he doesn't care if it has spots or a rash.
Back to top	When politicians offer you something for nothing, or something that sounds too good to be true, it's always worth taking a careful second look. (Malcolm Turncoat) IP Logged

Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #113 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:00am Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:57am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:55am: Spotted Dick?? Now I'm afraid. Very afraid Herb loves dick ... he doesn't care if it has spots or a rash. I'm going to throw up now.
Back to top	If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free. HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415) IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21583
A cat with a view

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #114 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:01am

Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:41am:

Have you read every word in the Quran. I bet not.

Yadda said...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1233665290/44#44
Quote:

I study the Koran [i.e. i search its contents for meaning],
.....as i also study the Christian bible.

You ask, '...have you read the Quran'.

There is no point in 'reading' the Koran, as such, because the Koran is a series of unstructured 'sound bytes', of Muhammad's sayings / pronouncements.

There is no narrative revealed in 'reading' the Koran.

.....
.....

In contrast, the Jewish and Christian Bibles contain a series of narratives, and these narratives can be read, and made sense of,
....even by 'children'.

.

Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:41am:

It recognises the old testament and Abraham + moses

plus the 10 commandments.

<------

That is B.S.

I do not know where you got such information from.

Moslems/ISLAM claim that OT scripture [and NT scripture] has been corrupted.

Therefore, moslems/ISLAM claim that OT scripture has absolutely no authority today.

Moslems respect only the Koran, as a holy, uncorrupted text.

more on this issue here....
The inerrant Koran???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0

Also, moslems do not follow or respect the OT 10 commandments.

Mohammed himself, broke #4, and openly condoned breaking #6, #7, #8, #9, #10

Get your head screwed on first, before you go making such bizarre and unsupportable claims, re ISLAM/moslems.

IMAGE....

.

Mohammed was an adulterer.

According to the [official ISLAMIC] record of his own actions, Mohammed was clearly a fornicator [and an adulterer], in a legal system that condemns fornication and adultery.

QUESTION;
So why wasn't Mohammed put to death by stoning ?

MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE.....

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

.

Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:41am:

References in the Quran to killing infidels is located in a section dealing with the trouble of the times. Taken out of historical context they have. Islam was tolerant off all religions under it's domain until recently.

Jews, Christians ...etc were allowed to worship as they saw fit in their societies.

<------

This is total B.S.

ISLAM prohibits [and has always prohibited] any open display of religion that is not ISLAM itself.

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

Lisa Jones

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #115 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:23am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 4:06am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

that is a surprise ...

Don't let The Revelation that gandalf is a Pom spoil your day. There are more of us here ... Lots more ... Be Afraid ... Be VERY afraid ...

Yeah I thought that was a cracker Grin

Like so many Italians, John Smith suffers from Terminal Anglophobia from when the Romans arrived in Britain and tasted the local food.

Tripe
Haggis
Jellied eels
Black Pudding
Spotted Dick
Pig's trotters
Ox tongue
Lumpy porridge

Anglophobia? do be such a daft twit herb.... I like Anglo's, it's you I don't like.
As for your list, you actually eat that crap? I thought its purpose was simply to scare away the invaders?

Spotted Dick??

Now I'm afraid. Very afraid. Undecided

Haggis?

Jellied Eel?

Tripe?

Why can't you people eat normal food like us wogs?

Ya know...like lamb, pork, beef, chicken or fish?

Undecided

Back to top

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

IP Logged

Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #116 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:10am Actually Lisa, there is nothing there the wogs don't eat ... it's just that the poms have no idea how to cook it. Tripe, trotters, tongue, eels, puddings (that's the dick) are all used extensively in wog cooking ... hagis is nothing special, stuffed tripe
Back to top	When politicians offer you something for nothing, or something that sounds too good to be true, it's always worth taking a careful second look. (Malcolm Turncoat) IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95219
Gender: male

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #117 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 5:25am:

Contrary to gandalf's journey towards becoming a prisoner-of-the-mind to religious blackmail, I myself travelled in the opposite direction - towards the Light of rational, unfettered, liberal free-thinking in which I didn't allow my reasoning-powers to become hostage to delusional psychopathy.

What does surprise me about Gandalf's Confession is why an intelligent fellow like him would feel the need to go shopping for an established religion in the first place.

Good question.

Back to top

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18257
Gender: male

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #118 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:20am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through,

How do you dabble in atheism?

Your god does need an intermediary to communicate according to your religion, how is it religious folks can claim god produced everything yet he is incapable of producing a coherent book ?

If people were creating a religion today would they have a book or a you beaut IPAD?

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

Lisa Jones

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #119 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:58am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Actually Lisa, there is nothing there the wogs don't eat ... it's just that the poms have no idea how to cook it. Tripe, trotters, tongue, eels, puddings (that's the dick) are all used extensively in wog cooking ... hagis is nothing special, stuffed tripe

I can tell you now John...I've never cooked/eaten any of the above.

Same goes for my mum and aunts...they've never cooked/eaten any of the above either.

Back to top

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

IP Logged