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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #136 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:09am

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

Why the hell are you miffed about Muslims' allegiances being called into question? Get real Gandy. Your coreligionists have been at open war with the West for centuries.

SOME people who I share no affinity with whatsoever, who just happen to claim (hijack) the same religion that I follow have been at open war with the west - I haven't.

The question is no different to me demanding you declare you won't open fire on peaceful unarmed left wing students - given what your "co-ideologist" did in Norway. No different whatsoever.

You and Aussie apparently can't understand how offensive this is unless its you who is unfairly pitted as the "other" - the alien who is assumed guilty until they stand up and publicly humiliate themselves. Its just a public shaming stunt which is as old as the hills. If it was about identifying actual genuine threats to society, you lot would be on to sprint for his calls to burn down mosques. But you're not - because you're hypocrites.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #137 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:24am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

Why the hell are you miffed about Muslims' allegiances being called into question? Get real Gandy. Your coreligionists have been at open war with the West for centuries.

SOME people who I share no affinity with whatsoever, who just happen to claim (hijack) the same religion that I follow have been at open war with the west - I haven't.

The question is no different to me demanding you declare you won't open fire on peaceful unarmed left wing students - given what your "co-ideologist" did in Norway. No different whatsoever.

You and Aussie apparently can't understand how offensive this is unless its you who is unfairly pitted as the "other" - the alien who is assumed guilty until they stand up and publicly humiliate themselves. Its just a public shaming stunt which is as old as the hills. If it was about identifying actual genuine threats to society, you lot would be on to sprint for his calls to burn down mosques. But you're not - because you're hypocrites.

religion

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A form of insanity, such as schizophrenia.
"Once we can look at religion objectively and impartially, it becomes entirely obvious that religion has all the characteristics of a form of insanity. To one degree or another the religious mind must accept, and believe in, another world; a supernatural or unnatural world, a world filled with all sorts of imaginary beings called gods, devils, angels, saints, demons, etc. These imaginary creatures are talked to, asked for favors, guidance, "signs", or miracles, and then blamed or thanked for natural events that follow. Except for the cloak of religion, such beliefs and actions would otherwise cause an individual to be judged insane, and committed to an institution for treatment." -Emmet F. Fields

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=religion&defid=840381

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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #138 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

If you punch a woman at a football game or beat up an 83 year old on the street for no reason, then your race, gender, shoe size etc are totally, totally irrelevant.

That's correct.

And that goes for all people, of all genders, and all colours.

Do you disagree?

No! It's VERY relevant you obnoxious and clueless piece of sh1t.

Oh and get a job, you lazy bum!

Far out!

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Reply #139 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:34am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

Why the hell are you miffed about Muslims' allegiances being called into question? Get real Gandy. Your coreligionists have been at open war with the West for centuries.

SOME people who I share no affinity with whatsoever, who just happen to claim (hijack) the same religion that I follow have been at open war with the west - I haven't.

The question is no different to me demanding you declare you won't open fire on peaceful unarmed left wing students - given what your "co-ideologist" did in Norway. No different whatsoever.

You and Aussie apparently can't understand how offensive this is unless its you who is unfairly pitted as the "other" - the alien who is assumed guilty until they stand up and publicly humiliate themselves. Its just a public shaming stunt which is as old as the hills. If it was about identifying actual genuine threats to society, you lot would be on to sprint for his calls to burn down mosques. But you're not - because you're hypocrites.

But the old boy's changed, G.

He's now a liberal.

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Reply #140 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:38am

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/weird-looking-negro-demarrea-chante...

Only blacks are victims. Or if not, then their race has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin. Being b;ack is relevant ONLY if you are a victim.

If you punch a woman at a football game or beat up an 83 year old on the street for no reason, then your race, gender, shoe size etc are totally, totally irrelevant.

The comment at that that link speaks for many people, I imagine:

"I think at least half of America would go along with this youtube comment:

i’ve had it with black people. i’ve just smacking had it with them. this was a black person and anyone that says different is a smacking black person too."

Race, of course, doesn't exist.

tut tut.

No argument!!!!

A good, relevant post, S.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #141 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45am

Aussie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Good luck with that one Aussie, these are nevertheless the sort of people we have in this great country of ours these days. The future aint too bright.

I am indeed very concerned that an apparently very moderate Muslim is hesitating over such a fundamental question.

AND....

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Spot on.

As soon as he hesitated it was clear to me.

Even if he came back and climbed aboard team Australia no one can remove the hesitating.

That screams volumes about his character.

I wouldn't trust him in the trenches at all I would steer clear until he was gone.

Moslems.

Wherever they go, [once the veil of their deceit has been penetrated/exposed] moslems engender only distrust in those they are around.

[And rightly so.]

It is simply the nature of the beast.

Moslems.

They are their own worst enemy, ....and they are blind to it.

Poor things.

Hot place!!!

They are all smacking filthy, stinking, deceitful, moslems.

Nature of the beast.

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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When (and Why) Good Muslim Neighbors Turn Bad

July 8, 2015

Here is how Islam's most authoritative ulema and exegetes explain Koran 3:28.

Muhammad ibn Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923), author of a standard and authoritative commentary of the Koran, writes:

If you [Muslims] are under their [non-Muslims'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them with your tongue while harboring inner animosity for them ...

[know that] Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels rather than other believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority].

Should that be the case, let them act friendly towards them while preserving their religion.

http://www.meforum.org/5371/why-muslims-bad-neighbors

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #142 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:02am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:09am:

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

Why the hell are you miffed about Muslims' allegiances being called into question? Get real Gandy. Your coreligionists have been at open war with the West for centuries.

SOME people who I share no affinity with whatsoever, who just happen to claim (hijack) the same religion that I follow have been at open war with the west - I haven't.

The question is no different to me demanding you declare you won't open fire on peaceful unarmed left wing students - given what your "co-ideologist" did in Norway. No different whatsoever.

You and Aussie apparently can't understand how offensive this is unless its you who is unfairly pitted as the "other" - the alien who is assumed guilty until they stand up and publicly humiliate themselves.

Its just a public shaming stunt which is as old as the hills.

If it was about identifying actual genuine threats to society, you lot would be on to sprint for his calls to burn down mosques.

But you're not - because you're hypocrites.

Hypocrites, eh!!!!

Yadda paraphrases gandalf.....

"I'm just a poor righteous person, who has done nobody any harm.
I'm just an innocent, oppressed, moslem."

gandalf,

If you are such a virtuous and innocent individual, ....why do you join yourself to ISLAM, .....why do you associate yourself with ISLAM, .....when it is undeniable, what ISLAM is, and what ISLAM encourages in the world ?????

gandalf,

QUESTION;
Why are you still a moslem ?

When full well, we all know that ---------- >

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine allows/agrees;

ALL non-moslems ['disbelievers'] are 'guilty' people.

And ISLAMIC doctrine allows/agrees that it is 'lawful' for a moslem to kill those, who do not believe, as they [moslems] believe.

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The date of the article below; The 7/7 attack in London occurred in 2005.

e.g.
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Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

n.b.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

And moslems can draw authority for that mainstream doctrine, from Koran verses, such as.....

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #143 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:13am Just out of curiousity Y, when you walk down the street - you know, in the real world - and you see muslims do you actually think to yourself "now there's a latent, wannabe homicidal maniac" - for each and every one of them? Is that trully the world you live in?
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Reply #144 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:16am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Just out of curiousity Y, when you walk down the street - you know, in the real world - and you see muslims do you actually think to yourself "now there's a latent, wannabe homicidal maniac" - for each and every one of them?

Is that trully the world you live in?

No. I feel sorry for them.

I'm overcome with pity.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #145 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:17am Ahhh, I answered a question aimed at Yadda. Apologies.
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Reply #146 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:19am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

religion

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A form of insanity, such as schizophrenia.
"Once we can look at religion objectively and impartially, it becomes entirely obvious that religion has all the characteristics of a form of insanity. To one degree or another the religious mind must accept, and believe in, another world; a supernatural or unnatural world, a world filled with all sorts of imaginary beings called gods, devils, angels, saints, demons, etc. These imaginary creatures are talked to, asked for favors, guidance, "signs", or miracles, and then blamed or thanked for natural events that follow. Except for the cloak of religion, such beliefs and actions would otherwise cause an individual to be judged insane, and committed to an institution for treatment." -Emmet F. Fields

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=religion&defid=840381

WRONG.

[....mistaken]

bobby,

If it is religion, and/or following religion, which is the reason and cause of insanity, then;

What is your excuse ????

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bobby,

Religion, and/or following religion, has next to nothing to do with insanity, imo.

bobby,

When a human being chooses a wicked path in this life, THAT can be said to be a cause of insanity in an individual, imo.
[i.e. the individual becomes internally 'conflicted', and internally confused.]

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

see also.....
http://www.solitaryroad.com/a417.html

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #147 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:27am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Just out of curiousity Y, when you walk down the street - you know, in the real world - and you see muslims do you actually think to yourself "now there's a latent, wannabe homicidal maniac" - for each and every one of them?

In a word;

Yes.

If we know the beast, then we know its nature.

Eh, gandalf!

IMAGE....

"Whoever insults a Prophet, KILL HIM!"

Moslems resident in the UK, teaching their children, the 'true path'.

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AND.....

THIS YT.....

#ISIS child trained to behead Teddy bear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTeqbUobp0

Yeah, but that is obviously a filthy stinking infidel Teddy bear.

So it deserves to,

DIE TEDDY, DIE

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #148 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:29am Yadda. Please, pretty please even...make your posts shorter. Split them up into 2 if you must. Try it...they'll be so much easier to read and respond to. Ok?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21581 A cat with a view	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #149 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:48am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:29am: Yadda. Please, pretty please even...make your posts shorter. Split them up into 2 if you must. Try it...they'll be so much easier to read and respond to. Ok? lisa, I'll try. Coz i'm a very trying person. Yadda
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