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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #165 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Herb has said the "traitors" - that is the people who support and enable multiculturalism - should be strung up on street posts.

This sentiment is only barely less indiscriminate than sprint's call for mosques to be arbitrarily razed in response to each terrorist attack.

Muslims and supporters of multiculturalism can legitimately view both as inciters to violence - or dare I say terrorist supporters.

But you won't see the resident liberal/freeeeedom warriors condemning them.

If Herb said that (sorry haven't read back)....then he's dreaming.

At some stage, he'll wake up. Maybe.

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Reply #167 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Herb has said the "traitors" - that is the people who support and enable multiculturalism - should be strung up on street posts.

Or putting it another way - those politicians who for leftwing ideological reasons engineer the treachery in which foreigners are brought into ones generational homeland in large numbers where they are then encouraged by these very same politicians to colonised whole sections of towns and cities up and down the country as separate identities to the locals.

I'm referring here specifically to 'Muslim Communities' and their seemingly endless legion of 'Community Leaders'.

Yes, gandalf - you can be very certain I would have these traitors shot without the slightest compunction.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

This sentiment is only barely less indiscriminate than sprint's call for mosques to be arbitrarily razed in response to each terrorist attack.

On the contrary - every effort would be made to discriminate between those who have been guilty of deliberate betrayal of the homeland people and those who did not have a hand in the policy-making and the social engineering.

Needless to say, Tony Blair would be at the very top of the Most Wanted list. I would actually have him locked up in the Tower of London before then having him transported to Newgate prison in a tumbril for a public hanging outside the jail.

Meanwhile, I'll leave you and FD to continue your epic existential struggle to decide just how many freedom fighters are able to dance on the head of a pin.

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Reply #168 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Herb has said the "traitors" - that is the people who support and enable multiculturalism - should be strung up on street posts.

This sentiment is only barely less indiscriminate than sprint's call for mosques to be arbitrarily razed in response to each terrorist attack.

Muslims and supporters of multiculturalism can legitimately view both as inciters to violence - or dare I say terrorist supporters.

But you won't see the resident liberal/freeeeedom warriors condemning them.

If Herb said that (sorry haven't read back)....then he's dreaming.

At some stage, he'll wake up. Maybe.

Herbie’s more likely to.fall asleep, dear. According to Herbie, the white revolution will come after his passing, in the fullness of time. His only regret is that he won’t live to see the day that the traitors to the white race are rounded up to receive a bullet in the back of the neck.

Herbie used to be a member of National Action. His membership only lapsed when they disbanded. The irony of Herbie’s fear and loathing of Muslim violence is that Herbie’s seriously advocated violence against a range of groups for years.

And if you call this to question, Herbie advocates violence against you too. In fact, it’s your fault. The race traitors should know better. Jews, Boongs, Curries, Darkies and all the rest - they’re just doing what they’re biologically programmed to do. It’s up to the white race to keep them in line with his superior know-how.

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Reply #169 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Come on now, gandalf, there's no need to be disingenuous about this.

ah disingenuous - is that what it is?

Interesting, so you think its a little unreasonable of me to object to the labelling of myself, my friends, my family - and 1 billion other people - every single one of them - as "latent wannabe homocidal maniacs" - with one broad sweep of the brush?

Some more context [and opinion, mine], in this argument with an 'innocent' moslem.

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Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

n.b.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

And moslems can draw authority for that mainstream doctrine, from Koran verses, such as.....

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;[/b]

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

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That is correct, isn't it gandalf!!!!

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15
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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #170 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Herb has said the "traitors" - that is the people who support and enable multiculturalism - should be strung up on street posts.

Or putting it another way - those politicians who for leftwing ideological reasons engineer the treachery in which foreigners are brought into ones generational homeland in large numbers where they are then encouraged by these very same politicians to colonised whole sections of towns and cities up and down the country as separate identities to the locals.

I'm referring here specifically to 'Muslim Communities' and their seemingly endless legion of 'Community Leaders'.

Yes, gandalf - you can be very certain I would have these traitors shot without the slightest compunction.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

This sentiment is only barely less indiscriminate than sprint's call for mosques to be arbitrarily razed in response to each terrorist attack.

On the contrary - every effort would be made to discriminate between those who have been guilty of deliberate betrayal of the homeland people and those who did not have a hand in the policy-making and the social engineering.

Needless to say, Tony Blair would be at the very top of the Most Wanted list. I would actually have him locked up in the Tower of London before then having him transported to Newgate prison in a tumbril for a public hanging outside the jail.

Meanwhile, I'll leave you and FD to continue your epic existential struggle to decide just how many freedom fighters are able to dance on the head of a pin.

You see?

Herbie tell it better than me.

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Reply #171 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:33pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

You see?

Herbie tell it better than me.

Never mind the smartarse quips. No wonder FD says he never bothers to read your posts.

THIS is what the UK politicians have engineered to be the reality for the sons and daughters of those who gave up their lives in the skies over Britain to keep it free.

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Reply #173 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:29am

What I find hilarious is that gandalf became a Muslim on the strength of cherry-picking parts of the Koran that agree with the best bits in the Bible. Grin

The question begs: Why not just stick with the Bible?

The answer, of course, is that 'converting' to Islam garners one a whole new mob of friends who fall over one another in their rush to make you feel very special, very appreciated, and loved. It's pretty heady stuff. From Zero to Hero in one leap as you will not experience amongst our lot.

From nonentity to celebrated Local Identity - all in one fell swoop! Intoxicating stuff! - especially if one comes from an English working class background in which self-esteem is at a premium.

I've asked gandalf over and over again to tell me/us what wondrous bits of divine insight and revelation are in the Koran that are not in the Bible --- and over and over again this question is met with the profound silence of the Cemetery for the Deaf-Mute.

Gandalf's 'conversion' really had very little to do with religion or intellectual conviction per se, but was mostly about the emotional needs of his own inadequate psychology.

Which is fair enough. We're all there at some time in our earlier years.

But where gandalf loses the plot and fails badly is in trying to defend the proposition that Islam is a morally superior religion to that of any other he has investigated. Such utterances are of course extravagant nonsense that defies even the most casual investigation of Islam's many nasty urgings upon its congregation.

This is where the wheels fall off his little red wagon every time he locks horns with the likes of Freediver who has the patience to humour his delusions.

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Reply #174 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:06am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

......where gandalf loses the plot and fails badly is in trying to defend the proposition that Islam is a morally superior religion to that of any other he has investigated.

Such utterances are of course extravagant nonsense that defies even the most casual investigation of Islam's many nasty urgings upon its congregation.

gandalf,

You are failing in your obligation, to your religion to Allah's perfect and holy religion.

When are you going to 'step up', and do the honourable thing ?

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

An 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

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MURDERING DISBELIEVERS IS LAWFUL

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger]

MOHAMMED INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING FOR HIS 'RELIGION' IS HALAL....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING A POETESS [WHO IS 'THREATENING' HIS 'RELIGION'] IS HALAL....

Quote:

Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Islam_and_peace.htm

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Reply #176 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:45am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

What I find hilarious is that gandalf became a Muslim on the strength of cherry-picking parts of the Koran that agree with the best bits in the Bible. Grin

The question begs: Why not just stick with the Bible?

The answer, of course, is that 'converting' to Islam garners one a whole new mob of friends who fall over one another in their rush to make you feel very special, very appreciated, and loved. It's pretty heady stuff. From Zero to Hero in one leap as you will not experience amongst our lot.

From nonentity to celebrated Local Identity - all in one fell swoop! Intoxicating stuff! - especially if one comes from an English working class background in which self-esteem is at a premium.

I've asked gandalf over and over again to tell me/us what wondrous bits of divine insight and revelation are in the Koran that are not in the Bible --- and over and over again this question is met with the profound silence of the Cemetery for the Deaf-Mute.

Gandalf's 'conversion' really had very little to do with religion or intellectual conviction per se, but was mostly about the emotional needs of his own inadequate psychology.

Which is fair enough. We're all there at some time in our earlier years.

But where gandalf loses the plot and fails badly is in trying to defend the proposition that Islam is a morally superior religion to that of any other he has investigated. Such utterances are of course extravagant nonsense that defies even the most casual investigation of Islam's many nasty urgings upon its congregation.

This is where the wheels fall off his little red wagon every time he locks horns with the likes of Freediver who has the patience to humour his delusions.

G never said Islam is a morally superior religion. He said it's a path that suits him. G's free to read the Bible and gather insight from that book too. Following a spiritual path is not about limiting the source of your knowledge. Islam accepts the Bible. It's based on the Bible. I've met a few Muslims who practice other disciplines too, including yoga/meditation. India has a tradition of Muslim yogis.

The rest of your post is twaddle.

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Reply #178 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:18am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Yadda, just out of curiosity - have you read the Quran?

Which bits would you like him not to read?

Which bits should he ignore as not being conducive to the rosy image of Islam that you would have us all believe is the only view possible?

(PS. Aren't you getting tired of that sycophantic gay parrot on your shoulder speaking up for you all the time?)

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Reply #179 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

G never said Islam is a morally superior religion. He said it's a path that suits him. G's free to read the Bible and gather insight from that book too. Following a spiritual path is not about limiting the source of your knowledge. Islam accepts the Bible. It's based on the Bible. I've met a few Muslims who practice other disciplines too, including yoga/meditation. India has a tradition of Muslim yogis.

The rest of your post is twaddle.

Which are you - gandalf's 'Keysar Trad' or a parrot on his shoulder?

How about you stop assuming gandalf doesn't have the wit nor the wisdom to answer for himself.

If this is the only way you can draw attention to yourself then that's a little sad, isn't it?

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