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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #180 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:13pm No, Karnal's spot on actually. Nice to see you responding to K though.
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Reply #181 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

No, Karnal's spot on actually.

Nice to see you responding to K though.

I like parrots, but not when they presume to speak for others or heckle with attention-seeking vacuous one-liners.

Your question to Yadda asking him if he's read the Koran - Let me ask you one:

Do you believe the Muslims who flew into the buildings on 9/11 - and the ISIS mob - and the al-Qaeda fraternity - and so many others of a violent disposition were well-versed in passages from the Koran?

Do you believe the Bali bombers and their spiritual leader Abu Bakar Bashir were a full bottle on Koranic verse?

Do you see my point?

Suggesting that Yadda cannot know the full glory of Islam unless he familiarises himself with passages from the Koran is somewhat ironic wouldn't you think?

Again it's a case of you hoisting yourself upon your own petard with a careless attempt at playing the master to the apprentice.

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Reply #182 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 1:23pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

G never said Islam is a morally superior religion. He said it's a path that suits him. G's free to read the Bible and gather insight from that book too. Following a spiritual path is not about limiting the source of your knowledge. Islam accepts the Bible. It's based on the Bible. I've met a few Muslims who practice other disciplines too, including yoga/meditation. India has a tradition of Muslim yogis.

The rest of your post is twaddle.

Which are you - gandalf's 'Keysar Trad' or a parrot on his shoulder?

Neither, Herbie. I'm the FD blowfly. Worse, I'm a spineless apologist for freedom of religion: that quaint, old fashioned value enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the constitutions of all civilized countries.

Keysar Trad, a parrot, call me what you will. I'd call myself a conservative, wouldn't you?

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Reply #183 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 1:29pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

No, Karnal's spot on actually.

Nice to see you responding to K though.

I like parrots, but not when they presume to speak for others or heckle with attention-seeking vacuous one-liners.

Your question to Yadda asking him if he's read the Koran - Let me ask you one:

Do you believe the Muslims who flew into the buildings on 9/11 - and the ISIS mob - and the al-Qaeda fraternity - and so many others of a violent disposition were well-versed in passages from the Koran?

Do you believe the Bali bombers and their spiritual leader Abu Bakar Bashir were a full bottle on Koranic verse?

Do you see my point?

Suggesting that Yadda cannot know the full glory of Islam unless he familiarises himself with passages from the Koran is somewhat ironic wouldn't you think?

Again it's a case of you hoisting yourself upon your own petard with a careless attempt at playing the master to the apprentice.

Do you believe the Oklahoma City bomber and White Supremacist Christian, Timothy McVeigh, was the full bottle on Corinthians 2, Herbie?

Encouraging G to read the Bible while you advocate the mass execution of Muslims and their apologists is somewhat ironic, wouldn't you think?

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Reply #184 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Do you see my point?

Yes, and its a stupid point - just like what moses and baron et al say.

Terrorist a b c and d - ooh look, they *KNEW* Islam - therefore proof! - Islam is a religion of terror. Thats the argument.

Just leave out the little part about there being a hell of a lot more learned scholars of Islam who *DON'T* preach hatred and terrorism - in fact will argue that Islam = peace. Just don't mention those guys.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18782 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #185 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:50pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:44pm: in fact will argue that Islam = peace. Just don't mention those guys. Islam does not = peace Islam = submission
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #186 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:51pm Do you know what submission means - in a spritual sense baron?
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Reply #187 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Yadda, just out of curiosity - have you read the Quran?

From cover, to cover ?

No.

Read on.

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I can't expect you to read all of my posts gandalf. Wink

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1443218540/114#114
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Super Nova wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 3:41am:

Have you read every word in the Quran. I bet not.

Yadda said...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1233665290/44#44
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I study the Koran [i.e. i search its contents for meaning],
.....as i also study the Christian bible.

You ask, '...have you read the Quran'.

There is no point in 'reading' the Koran, as such, because the Koran is a series of unstructured 'sound bytes', of Muhammad's sayings / pronouncements.

There is no narrative revealed in 'reading' the Koran.

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In contrast, the Jewish and Christian Bibles contain a series of narratives, and these narratives can be read, and made sense of,
....even by 'children'.

p.s.

gandalf,

On request, some years ago, your 'brothers' sent me a blue cover, pocket Koran for my daily reading.

Published by Abdul Qasim.

Edited by Saheeh International.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #188 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

G never said Islam is a morally superior religion. He said it's a path that suits him. G's free to read the Bible and gather insight from that book too. Following a spiritual path is not about limiting the source of your knowledge.

Islam accepts the Bible.

It's based on the Bible. I've met a few Muslims who practice other disciplines too, including yoga/meditation. India has a tradition of Muslim yogis.

The rest of your post is twaddle.

Karnal,

THAT, is a lie.
or straight out ignorance.

I'll let you confess, which it is.

[And i'm turning blue already, in that expectation.]

more on that issue here....
The inerrant Koran???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #189 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

Do you know what submission means - in a spritual sense baron?

gandalf!!!!!!!!

What a gift, .....to Yadda.

Submission eh ???

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Hey, everyone, you must understand, that;

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

IMAGE....

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

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Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #190 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

in fact will argue that Islam = peace. Just don't mention those guys.

Islam does not = peace

Islam = submission

Exactly.

And no surprise that gandalf tried to sneak past this literal translation for fear of setting off yet another petard to be hoisted upon by his own hand.

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Reply #191 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

Do you know what submission means - in a spritual sense baron?

It means that if you know what's good for you and your family within Islamic society, then your best bet is to trot along with the rest of the herd as a docile and unthinking religious automaton.

Concepts like 'multiculturalism', 'difference', 'diversity', etc are all anathema to the Religion of Submission, er .. Peace.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #192 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:12pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:51pm: Do you know what submission means - in a spritual sense baron? NO need for taqiyya anyone can read it in the qur'an tale.
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Reply #193 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Do you see my point?

Yes, and its a stupid point - just like what moses and baron et al say.

Terrorist a b c and d - ooh look, they *KNEW* Islam - therefore proof! - Islam is a religion of terror. Thats the argument.

Just leave out the little part about there being a hell of a lot more learned scholars of Islam who *DON'T* preach hatred and terrorism - in fact will argue that Islam = peace. Just don't mention those guys.

No need to mention them they are NOT muslims according to the islammic myth. Nice try tho. Well not really. Desperate try more like it.

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Reply #194 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Come on now, gandalf, there's no need to be disingenuous about this.

ah disingenuous - is that what it is?

Interesting, so you think its a little unreasonable of me to object to the labelling of myself, my friends, my family - and 1 billion other people - every single one of them - as "latent wannabe homocidal maniacs" - with one broad sweep of the brush?

Actually the qur'an IS THE BRUSH. The broad sweep is completed by your own evil book.

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