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Reply #195 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Well what about you *TRY* and love muslims for who they actually are, and not your own personal caricature of what they are?

Is it really a christian thing to label people you don't even know as wannabe latent homicidal maniacs?

If they walk around carrying a book saying its from their god and in it it says they should be one no one is labeling them anything they are labeling themselves.

You guys can beat your breasts until the cows come home and feign ignorance of your own religion all you like. At the end of the day its just an evil ideology thrust upon gullible people.

Its a shame it demands screwing up everyone else's life that aren't dumb enough to believe in the nonsense.

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Reply #196 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:23pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Just out of curiousity Y, when you walk down the street - you know, in the real world - and you see muslims do you actually think to yourself "now there's a latent, wannabe homicidal maniac" - for each and every one of them?

Is that trully the world you live in?

Come on now, gandalf, there's no need to be disingenuous about this.

All Muslims are Carriers of the same Islamic infection that prompted fellow Muslims to crash planes into tall buildings and do other horrific things of a violent nature in the name of Allah.

Right. And all knuckleheads are Carriers of the same Knucklehead infection that prompted fellow knucklehead Anders Breivik to shoot dozens of young holiday-makers in the prime of their lives and do other horrific things of a violent nature in the name of White Supremacy.

They weren't holiday makers at all.

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Reply #197 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

Now, tell me issue - do you see any inherent problems with Yadda's view that every single muslim in the world is a latent wannabe homocidal maniac?

More broadly, do you have any concerns about such people roaming the streets with such attitudes?

A wishy washy muslim would need a spark of faith to become a terrorist, it sounds like Yadda is right.

If we look at life in the Islamic state it does paint a bleak picture of muslims, marrying children,enslaving Yazidis and Christians,bashing wives,stoning people to death,hurling gays from tall buildings,chopping hands and heads off,killing dogs,stomping on Geckos,praying 5 times a day.
Do we really want devout muslims here?

Do you even want half hearted ones here ?

No on all counts.

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Reply #198 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

I have to agree with Gandalf on this at least - it is far simpler.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38519 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #199 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:51pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm: Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma. Why?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #200 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:54pm Tell us about the problematic victimhood mentality among modern Muslims Gandalf.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #201 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 11:38pm freediver wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:54pm: Tell us about the problematic victimhood mentality among modern Muslims Gandalf. Sounds like you are blaming him in a veiled manner.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #202 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54am Apparently we have Muslims in our army now. Almost as many as are currently fighting for IS.
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Reply #203 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:43pm

Gandalf is now trapped in the Religion of Peace which is like a prison without bars.

He thought long and hard as to which religion to chose from the menu in the catalogue he ordered off the Internet - and in his wisdom he settled for Islam because of its excellent reputation for tolerance and pandering to multiculturalism.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40804	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #204 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54am: Apparently we have Muslims in our army now. Almost as many as are currently fighting for IS. And this is mentioned because? All swear their allegiance to Australia and its Sovereign, FD.
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Reply #205 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:04pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Gandalf is now trapped in the Religion of Peace which is like a prison without bars.

He thought long and hard as to which religion to chose from the menu in the catalogue he ordered off the Internet - and in his wisdom he settled for Islam because of its excellent reputation for tolerance and pandering to multiculturalism.

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Yes it must have been hard for him being born into it as an arab.

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Reply #206 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Apparently we have Muslims in our army now. Almost as many as are currently fighting for IS.

And this is mentioned because?

All swear their allegiance to Australia and its Sovereign, FD. Roll Eyes

It was mentioned because it came up in conversation Brian.

Got any more stupid questions?

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Reply #207 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:27pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Yes it must have been hard for him being born into it as an arab.

Gandalf is no ordinary guy - in fact he's an English eccentric who decided to cancel the last 1400 years of Western Enlightenment and academic development by becoming a Muslim.

As a Time Traveller, even Dr Who has to doff his cap to gandalf.

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Reply #208 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:30pm

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Apparently we have Muslims in our army now. Almost as many as are currently fighting for IS.

And this is mentioned because?

All swear their allegiance to Australia and its Sovereign, FD. Roll Eyes

It was mentioned because it came up in conversation Brian.

With whom, FD? Why did it "come up in conversation"?

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Got any more stupid questions?

You aren't being very friendly, FD. Why? Roll Eyes

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