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Reply #15 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:46pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

thanks for your direct answer Gandalf.

your questions are all pretty readily answered in any bible.

Maybe you could quote the passages on the trinity, Sprint. We might turn G around.

there are many quotes to explain it.

seek and ye shall find

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #16 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:53pm Give em a hint sprint they seem like they need a hand. The original texts weren't in English. Shocking I know.
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Reply #17 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:51pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

thanks for your direct answer Gandalf.

your questions are all pretty readily answered in any bible.

Maybe you could quote the passages on the trinity, Sprint. We might turn G around.

there are many quotes to explain it.

seek and ye shall find

No, I've looked. Where does the Bible discuss the trinity?

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Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:52pm

wally1 wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

thanks for your direct answer Gandalf.

your questions are all pretty readily answered in any bible.

Maybe you could quote the passages on the trinity, Sprint. We might turn G around.

He wont answer it because there is no concept of trinity in the bible, its a man made concept.

All concepts are. I thought the trinity was created at the Council of Nicea. I can't find any of it in the Bible.

Maybe Sprint can point us in the right direction.

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Reply #19 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

Oh boy, here we go. The angel Gabriel came to him just like his hero Mohammed.

If you have nothing to contribute, why do you bother posting?

Nothing to contribute?

First of all, the OP does not ask me for a contribution, it asks you. I made a comment on that request, and in so doing I ridicule your pathetic interpretation of reality. But you obfuscate. You know very well that to be a Muslim you have to accept Mohammed as the messenger of God. That is your shared psychotic delusion; the one that justifies suicide bombers.

Does any of that matter when not even one of your words is sincere? You are happy to use Western Objectivity only when it suits you, just as all Muslims use the institutions of our liberal and pluralistic society against itself. We have seen it time and time again as your brothers feign Western ways only to turn on the people around them because they are not Muslims.

As you have seen, a lot of gullible Westerners fall for your declared innocence, but a lie is still a lie, and I am glad I do not have to live yours. Now, shouldn’t you be at prayers, or something?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95219 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #20 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:54pm ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:22pm: I was born into a muslim family, I am of arab heritage - from a religious islamic background. Paki, are you? Me too, Matty.
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Reply #21 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:04am

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:54pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

I was born into a muslim family, I am of arab heritage - from a religious islamic background.

Paki, are you?

Me too, Matty.

No I'm a Caucasian Bedouin, converted to being Arabic when I saw how advanced the culture was after studying all others and knocking back atheism, you know the ones arafat said they called Palestinians to try and get the world off side with israel. The ones arafat said he called palestinians to create a cause for the world to get upset with israel. Darn that 6 day war that failed. Sorta left em out in the cold didn't it.

I own a magic carpet left to me by an old islamic cleric who used to fly donkeys in trifectas in the medina valley back in the day. The strange thing was he used to call me matty too when I disagreed with him. It must be a muslim tradition I guess.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #22 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:08am Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:51pm: No, I've looked. Where does the Bible discuss the trinity? Google will set you free. If you can't find it amongst the multitudes there, what sprint gives you will be way over your burqa.
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Reply #23 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:09am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

Dear Gandalf,

you forget that Jesus is mentioned many times in the Koran.

Muhammad was actually a Christian who went around the Middle East preaching the gospel.

How can you reconcile that?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #24 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:09pm Islam—a made up religion, taking parts from Judaism and christianity. Then the crap on the haj, the superstitious nonsense re stoning the devil etc, bah!
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102862 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #25 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:19pm Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:09pm: Islam—a made up religion, taking parts from Judaism and christianity. Then the crap on the haj, the superstitious nonsense re stoning the devil etc, bah! You've gotta stone that devil.
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Reply #26 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

I'd like to know how and why you became a Muslim.

Are you a 1st gen Aussie born into a Muslim family?

I'd like to hear about your personal journey. (It doesn't have to be detailed).

Why?

I don't have the opportunity to ask the few Muslims I do know.

Thank you Lisa for your interest.

Firstly, I was not born into a muslim family, I am of anglo-Scotish heritage - from a non-religious protestant background.

I was introduced to Islam by a friend, who later became my wife. For most of my life I have believed in God. I dabbled in atheism for a brief period but quickly came to the conclusion that I was lying to myself.

I always had difficulty with christian doctrine - to me it seemed unnecessarily convoluted: why was there 3 parts to God, and why was it only possible to communicate with God through his Son (whose not really is "son" but an inextricable part of the single entity of God). And most confusing of all - why was it necessary for God to perform a blood sacrifice of "himself" before mankind was eligible for salvation?

And then I discovered Islam - which offers a far simpler explanation of God - He doesn't consist of different components which may or may not be separate depending on which theologian you talk to - he does not need an intermediary to communicate through, and there is no complicated blood sacrifice that enables the salvation of mankind. Just God on his own, and prophets to deliver his message.

So I guess in summary I see my journey into Islam in two parts: first I have a belief in God and his creation of mankind and his plan for mankind. That is innate, completely separate to any religious doctrine. And once you (or at least 'I') have this starting point, you then go about looking at which religious doctrine best explains the nature of God and His plan and the meaning of life. And for me it is Islam.

thanks for your direct answer Gandalf.

your questions are all pretty readily answered in any bible.

Maybe you could quote the passages on the trinity, Sprint. We might turn G around.

there are many quotes to explain it.

seek and ye shall find

No, I've looked. Where does the Bible discuss the trinity?

In genesis to start with.
lots of other places in the NT

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95219 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #27 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:49pm Where would we find it, Sprint? I say, why don’t you just quote the passages?
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Reply #28 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Where would we find it, Sprint?

I say, why don’t you just quote the passages?

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.
If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."

Matthew 7:6-8

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Reply #29 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Where would we find it, Sprint?

I say, why don’t you just quote the passages?

The trinity and 3 gods in one is clearly in the bible.

No-one has ever seen god -john 1:18
hear o israel, the lord our lord is one lord -mark 12:29
Why do you call me good?There is none good but one, that is God Matthew 19:17

Trinity-Clearly explained in the bible-not.

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