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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38519 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #60 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:37pm If I do not get a responsive and candid answer from Gandalf on that very simple question going to the root of fundamental loyalty to Australia, then many will be quite surprised how quickly this Black Duck can and will flick a switch. Gandalf?
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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #61 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

No one would.

You could however, dignify it with a warning of a ban.

Aussie has already received those today elsewhere on Oz Pol by frustrated moderators who are sick to death of his disruptive passive aggressive trolling.

Really....where? What moderators (plural.) I know you have also been warned by Agnes, or was she not being honest when she said that.

"Anyway....back to the Topic."

You don't know when to stop.

Now you've just been banned by another OzPol Moderator for 2 weeks.

What is it with you Aussie?

You've been permanently banned from FD's other political forum. The rest of us however are happily posting away there.

Something is definitely not right with you.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #62 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:58pm http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441604751/101#101 Up for Gandalf!
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38519 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #63 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 9:40pm Gandalf, how can I discuss this with you or you with me while there is all this Lisa garbage everywhere?
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Re: Gandalf..got a question for you.
Reply #64 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 9:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

And if you weren't?

Aussie I'm dissapointed in you. You complain about another poster trying to bait me - this question is nothing less than an insult. You should know better.

I won't dignify it with an answer.

^^^^^^Yet another forum Mod which Aussie's rubbed the wrong way.

I can see yet another ban coming his way.

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Reply #65 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 9:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

No?

gandalf,

To what part of the trinity did the individual who met with Abraham belong [i.e. the individual who met with Abraham, as recorded in Genesis 18] ?

Was he the Father, or the Son [...or perhaps he was the Holy Ghost] ?

Oh, yes. .....it is no use asking you, a moslem, ....because you [the moslem] don't accept three God's, a trinity.

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I claim to be a Christian, and for myself, there is no 'trinity', there is no triune 'godhead'.

What about Jesus ?

Jesus was is the only begotten son of God. [Jesus, raised, .....is the 'first-fruits' of many brethren, the children, sons and daughters of God. see, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18]

Reading scripture, to me, Jesus was also, a man of flesh and blood and bone.

But at the same time Jesus was a man [of flesh] imbued with the essence of what God is.

e.g.
Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Again, for myself, there is no 'trinity', there is no triune 'godhead'.

The defining verses [for myself] are;

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:....

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Read your Bible.

Holy scripture reveals, that the God of Israel has manifested himself in many forms, to mankind.

The man Jesus, was not the first time that God manifested himself, as a man, to men.
e.g. Genesis 18

But, scripture is definitive, Jesus stated, that God's 'essence' is spirit.

But the essence of what 'spirit' is, is still a mystery to me.

I barely understand what this 'flesh' [that i 'inhabit'] is! ....except i know that it is a clay 'prison' of sorts.

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You are mistaken, i don't worship a pagan deity, or a 'trinity'.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21577 A cat with a view	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #66 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:30pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm: Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma. I concur. .....in an ideal sane world. But i doubt the latter.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102832 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #67 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:49pm Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 9:40pm: Gandalf, how can I discuss this with you or you with me while there is all this Lisa garbage everywhere? Aussie - why do you pick on Lisa? - she's a good kid. forgiven namaste
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Reply #68 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:50pm

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Aussie, I have no doubt that I would either have been interned, deported or executed long before you would have to face such a dilemma.

The question is about trusting you, Gandy. Don't avoid it.

Taqiyya??

Can we ever trust a moslem, or trust a moslem, to be a 'friend' ?

QUESTION;
On what grounds would such trust be based ?????

Would such trust, be based upon your moslem friends, ISLAMIC purity, ...as a moslem ????? Shocked

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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Is it that we can trust moslems, because moslems have told us that they 'appreciate' and respect Western secularism ?????

FACT;
Moslems [often being moslems who are living within Western nations] feel 'driven' and compelled to kill other moslems [living within a Western nation]. [i.e. these are murders [committed by moslems], of apostate children, sisters, brothers, wives.]

QUESTION;
What is the stated common motive and justification [given by the moslem KILLERS] for such killings ????????

ANSWER;
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"BOTH HANDS-ON KILLERS AND CONSPIRATOR-ACCOMPLICES VIEWED THEIR VICTIMS AS "TOO WESTERN" "

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Female perpetrators and accomplices in honor killings, like their male counterparts, can be calculating, brutal, and without remorse. Tooba Yahya Shafia (center) of Canada was directly involved with her husband and son in the murder of three of her daughters and her husband's first wife.

Shafilea Ahmed (left) of the United Kingdom was murdered by her Pakistani father Iftikhar (top right) and mother Farzana (bottom right). They suffocated Shafilea in front of their four other children after she refused a forced marriage in Pakistan. They were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

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When Women Commit Honor Killings
by Phyllis Chesler
Middle East Quarterly
Fall 2015

.....Hands-on killers and conspirator-accomplices killed for the same reasons:

They saw their victims as "too Western"
or as "sexually inappropriate."

Motive varied as a function of region.

Both hands-on killers and conspirator-accomplices viewed their victims as "too Western" 77 percent of the time.

Sixty-seven percent of female hands-on killers and 84 percent of conspirator-accomplices perceived their victims this way. (See Charts 2 and 3, below.)

In Muslim-majority countries, only 43 percent of victims were killed for this reason.

However, in the West, the mainly Muslim victims in North America were viewed as "too Western" 91 percent of the time and 100 percent of the time in Europe. (See Chart 1 for definitions of "too Western.")

http://www.meforum.org/5477/when-women-commit-honor-killingsi

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #69 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

Oh boy, here we go. The angel Gabriel came to him just like his hero Mohammed.

If you have nothing to contribute, why do you bother posting?

Nothing to contribute?

First of all, the OP does not ask me for a contribution, it asks you. I made a comment on that request, and in so doing I ridicule your pathetic interpretation of reality.

Interpretation of reality eh?

If you'll recall you suggested that my life journey into Islam would involve a claim about hearing the revelation from the angel Gabriel himself. And if you really believe that muslims routinely claim that they found Islam through such an epiphany - then I suggest its your "interpretation of reality" that is pathetic and deserves ridicule - not mine.

What happened Issue - did a muslim stomp on your puppy when you were a kid?

I suggest to prove your point, you state it out loud in the square at Mecca when you make your obligatory pilgrimage, and see what kind of reception you get.

Speaking of Muzzlims stomping on pups, here are a few examples:

1990 EgyptAir 990 217k (co-pilot’s Islamic rant recorded)
1998 Nairobi: 224 killed, 4500, maimed
1999 Moscow 293k 651
2001 New York 2996k 6000+
2002 Bali 202k 209
2002 Moscow 170k 700+
2003 Philippines 21k 146+
2004 Madrid 191k 1800
2005 London 52k 700+
2005 Indonesia 3 Christian schoolgirls beheaded.
2006 India Railways 186k ?
2007 Baghdad market 131k 186
2008 Mombai 164k 600+
2009 Texas 13k( 1pregnant) 30
2010 Moscow 40k 100+
2011 Mombai 26k 130
2012 China 2k 13
2012 Yemen 120+ 600+

Most will remember the more recent atrocities, all justified in the name of Islam, which is Gandalf's interpretation of reality.

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Reply #70 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

If I do not get a responsive and candid answer from Gandalf on that very simple question going to the root of fundamental loyalty to Australia, then many will be quite surprised how quickly this Black Duck can and will flick a switch.

Gandalf?

I think its pretty clear where they all stand.

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Reply #71 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:36pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

If I do not get a responsive and candid answer from Gandalf on that very simple question going to the root of fundamental loyalty to Australia, then many will be quite surprised how quickly this Black Duck can and will flick a switch.

Gandalf?

I think its pretty clear where they all stand.

Which "they all" are you rabbiting on about now?

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #72 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm If you can't work it out troll I suggest you return to your aboriginal ranting in the other thread.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35220 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #73 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:46pm ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm: If you can't work it out troll I suggest you return to your aboriginal ranting in the other thread. Oh i can work it out. I just wanted to hear you say it.
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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: Gandalf..got a question for you. Reply #74 - Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:49pm I suspected as much, don't have a cry if you are ignored then.
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