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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139546 Gender:	Re: Abbott - You made a Huge mistake dumping him.. Reply #15 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:22am Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:18am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am: a champion guy.. one of the best PMs Australia has ever had ... are you drunk? he was the worst PM in out history Yes, and yes.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96597	Re: Abbott - You made a Huge mistake dumping him.. Reply #16 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big. Abbott deserves credit for these.
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Reply #17 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big.

Abbott deserves credit for these.

Most of the work was already done long before he came into govt. All he did was buckle on the few sticking points that remained and he signed them. He needed something to claim as his legacy, everything else was falling down around him.

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Reply #18 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

cods wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

but the libs go a step lower..... I am still stunned they took this road.... Angry

I'm not sure why you're stunned.

"Since 1966 ... it has been the exception rather than the rule that the people decide who should be prime minister."

[url]http://www.abgreggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

cods wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

but the libs go a step lower..... I am still stunned they took this road.... Angry

I'm not sure why you're stunned.

"Since 1966 ... it has been the exception rather than the rule that the people decide who should be prime minister."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-28/cassidy-prime-ministerial-trivia/4284398

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yes have to admit I forgot Gorton..... and look how that turned out?.. but I am not looking at what happens in opposition...to me thats standard its like the captain of the team... however the PM.. is a whole different ball game...

and even you would have to admit watching shortarse destroy labor was not a PRETTY SIGHT...

it is one you would like to forget and hope history will forget it as well...

but it wont..

I always said Howard should have stepped aside for Costello...it was the correct and ethical thing to do...

there is and never will be anything ETHICAL about what this motley crew have done...at least not in my book...

I know some folks love underhand...I am just not one of them

10 people voted against Tony

I have forgotten the score with Labor but Kevin changed the rules so just a certain few could never do that to a Labor PM again....

why did he do that?... do you think?.. Roll Eyes

seeing as how he was on both ends of that sticky stick.!!!

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Reply #19 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:42am

I note Bolt did not give credit to Labor for the two of the biggest policy changes in the last decade, NDIS and Gonski. Saying sorry to the stolen generation (Bolt denies this ever happened) started the conversation on Aboriginal reconciliation. Abbott has done nothing for Aboriginal people worth any substance.

However the problem Bolt has is he glossed over Abbott's lies and backflips like they where irrelevant and had no bearing on his ultimate demise....Abbott has done nothing worthwhile for the nation and has put the nation in a far worse position than when he came to office...No one likes a liar and a fraud Mr Bolt and although you cannot see any failings in Abbott's bullshit the public are not as bigoted and stupid as you take them for....Abbott was a failure as a PM and deserves the criticism he levelled at everyone else!!!

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Reply #20 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:47am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

Absolutely disgraceful the way Tony was treated..

a champion guy.. one of the best PMs Australia has ever had ...

but was character assassinated by the disgraceful media and that of the deadsheets on this forum...

you deserve what you get... Angry

Bolt nailed it..

Abbott was dumped by his own party not because of members on this forum or some bullshit about media bias....Abbott was criticised because he deserved it after his lies and backflips....If you want to put the blame where it belongs look no further than the Liberal Party of Australia mate...Its always someone else's fault with you lot!!!

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Reply #22 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:14am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big.

Abbott deserves credit for these.

Most of the work was already done long before he came into govt. All he did was buckle on the few sticking points that remained and he signed them. He needed something to claim as his legacy, everything else was falling down around him.

True, but he could have axed them or stuffed them up, which was his pattern.

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Reply #23 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big.

Abbott deserves credit for these.

Most of the work was already done long before he came into govt. All he did was buckle on the few sticking points that remained and he signed them. He needed something to claim as his legacy, everything else was falling down around him.

True, but he could have axed them or stuffed them up, which was his pattern.

he did stuff them up ... we have a FTA with japan, one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, that prohibits our spare parts (gearbox) manufacturers from selling their wares in Japan

we have a FTA with China that lets the Chinese bring in foreign workers with no regard for locals.

Abbott was a goose who's only concern was that he get the photo opp, regardless of what it cost us.

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Reply #24 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:24am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big.

Abbott deserves credit for these.

Most of the work was already done long before he came into govt. All he did was buckle on the few sticking points that remained and he signed them. He needed something to claim as his legacy, everything else was falling down around him.

True, but he could have axed them or stuffed them up, which was his pattern.

he did stuff them up ... we have a FTA with japan, one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, that prohibits our spare parts (gearbox) manufacturers from selling their wares in Japan

we have a FTA with China that lets the Chinese bring in foreign workers with no regard for locals.

Abbott was a goose who's only concern was that he get the photo opp, regardless of what it cost us.

Yes, he was a goose.

Speaking of geese ...

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Reply #26 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:30am

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The people who dumped Abbott where members of the same two faced party you voted for....Once again we see the Liberal faithful blaming everyone else but themselves for their problems....The Australian public have a right to be upset that they never got the chance to throw out the bastard themselves....The LNP have nothing to be proud of and need to man up to their own actions!!!

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Reply #27 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:58am

Re the FTAs I said that abbott made a huge mistake saying he wanted the FTAs signed by certain days, the other countries just had to sit there and do nothing and we would have to capitulate to get the damn things signed. That happened.

That alone made abbott a very bad PM.

He also cut funding to Domestic violence, cutting funding for refuges and for legal advice centres dealing just with DV. Given that, I find it incredible any female can say a good word for our immediate past PM!

Another crap thing he did, looking at ways to rain in his out of control spending, he would have included the tax exemptions for super which are growing out of control! But because Labor suggested a couple of savings he ruled them out straight away. That is not the action of even a slightly competent PM!

Tony had to go, but I was under no illusions that Turncoat was in any way shape or form progressive.

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Reply #28 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The trade agreements - I'd forgotten them. Yes, these are part of Abbott's legacy. The one with China, in particular, is big.

Abbott deserves credit for these.

Most of the work was already done long before he came into govt. All he did was buckle on the few sticking points that remained and he signed them. He needed something to claim as his legacy, everything else was falling down around him.

True, but he could have axed them or stuffed them up, which was his pattern.

he did stuff them up ... we have a FTA with japan, one of the largest car manufacturers in the world, that prohibits our spare parts (gearbox) manufacturers from selling their wares in Japan

we have a FTA with China that lets the Chinese bring in foreign workers with no regard for locals.

Abbott was a goose who's only concern was that he get the photo opp, regardless of what it cost us.

And a deal with China to let us send our workers and services to them.

Let's face it, labour mobility is crucial in a globalized market. This works for us. Any foreign sub manufacturers, for example, who make subs here are going to need to send their experts over.

Trade is increasingly in services, not goods. If you're trading services, people need to move around.

I'm giving Abbott a tick for his trade-agreements.

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Reply #29 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Re the FTAs I said that abbott made a huge mistake saying he wanted the FTAs signed by certain days, the other countries just had to sit there and do nothing and we would have to capitulate to get the damn things signed. That happened.

The politics of trade agreements are another matter. Ministers need to be able to make deals with their foreign counterparts. Putting everything before a partisan parliament doesn't work. Having an opposition shoot them down during the negotiation is not a good way to do business.

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