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Reply #30 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:39pm:

Yet where abortion is allowed families are smaller, the children more loved, delinquency and crime way down. Just by letting women control their own bodies and control their own fertility.

And there are dead babies everywhere.

And you would have to be a prize idiot to claim that somehow today where abortion is legal that children are more loved and there is less crime.

It would be a struggle to come up with a worse argument than the one you came up with.

Stupid Catholic faith as propounded by a bunch of celibate old men! They are not a realistic guide to living.

I think they would really love lots of single Mums to preach to! Stuff them! When women can control their own bodies and own reproductive system the outcomes are better!

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If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Reply #31 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

Huh

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #32 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

Huh

oh really? Thats a new one. Make that up as well as so much else you state?

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #33 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

____ wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

qanda ... barnaby joyce opposes abortion and so supports abortion being a criminal crime.

Shame Barnaby, shame.

There are many who oppose same sex marriage, but you don't hear anyone calling for it to be a crime. Grow up, grub.

You miss the point completely.

Those that oppose abortion for moral reasons can remain on their perches, looking down on everyone, wagging their fingers ... no one is asking for these people to shift.

What is required is removal of abortion as a criminal crime, that very easily could be used to jail women who has an abortion.

Barnaby was asked about removal of this law and he ran for the hills and refused to say why.

Murder is already a "criminal crime"

Abortion is 'murder'. (infanticide) Sad

That is your moral decision.
A foetus is not a human as a fertilised egg is not a chicken.

Wag your moral finger all you like ... removing abortion from the crime law book should be a federal election issue.

This abuse of a women's right over her body by men is a part of the reason so many women are murdered by their (ex) partners.

Thus sayeth a gay that will never father a child. You are disqualified from even holding an opinion, nevermind stating it.

Maria, since you are new here then you would of missed my posts on threads about my three children. When longweekend get's back, he can verify this for me.

And your opinion that not having children disqualifying a right to expressing an opinion here ... sorry you're only a pleb, not a dictator.

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #34 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

A foetus is not a human

You sound like Goebbels reincarnated? Sad

In your mind, anyone who opposed your demands to control women, would sound like Goebbels.

....no....Goebbels dehumanised Jews, Eastern Europeans, etc with propaganda so that the Nazis could murder them under the noses of the public

Pro-abortion protagonists like yourself dehumanise foetuses with propaganda so that doctors can murder them under the nose of the public.... Sad

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #35 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

Huh

It is interesting that you use the word 'live'. Apparently you are unaware what an abortion is. It certainly is not LIFE.

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #36 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

____ wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

qanda ... barnaby joyce opposes abortion and so supports abortion being a criminal crime.

Shame Barnaby, shame.

There are many who oppose same sex marriage, but you don't hear anyone calling for it to be a crime. Grow up, grub.

You miss the point completely.

Those that oppose abortion for moral reasons can remain on their perches, looking down on everyone, wagging their fingers ... no one is asking for these people to shift.

What is required is removal of abortion as a criminal crime, that very easily could be used to jail women who has an abortion.

Barnaby was asked about removal of this law and he ran for the hills and refused to say why.

Murder is already a "criminal crime"

Abortion is 'murder'. (infanticide) Sad

That is your moral decision.
A foetus is not a human as a fertilised egg is not a chicken.

Wag your moral finger all you like ... removing abortion from the crime law book should be a federal election issue.

This abuse of a women's right over her body by men is a part of the reason so many women are murdered by their (ex) partners.

Thus sayeth a gay that will never father a child. You are disqualified from even holding an opinion, nevermind stating it.

Maria, since you are new here then you would of missed my posts on threads about my three children. When longweekend get's back, he can verify this for me.

And your opinion that not having children disqualifying a right to expressing an opinion here ... sorry you're only a pleb, not a dictator.

You don't have children. You would be every child's nightmare plus it involves something you dont like - women.

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #37 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

A foetus is not a human

You sound like Goebbels reincarnated? Sad

In your mind, anyone who opposed your demands to control women, would sound like Goebbels.

....no....Goebbels dehumanised Jews, Eastern Europeans, etc with propaganda so that the Nazis could murder them under the noses of the public

Pro-abortion protagonists like yourself dehumanise foetuses with propaganda so that doctors can murder them under the nose of the public.... Sad

You are blind to one fact. I am not pro abortion, I am pro to removing abortion from the law book and then people this directly effect can choose their own choices without me influencing.

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #38 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:57pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

A foetus is not a human

You sound like Goebbels reincarnated? Sad

In your mind, anyone who opposed your demands to control women, would sound like Goebbels.

....no....Goebbels dehumanised Jews, Eastern Europeans, etc with propaganda so that the Nazis could murder them under the noses of the public

Pro-abortion protagonists like yourself dehumanise foetuses with propaganda so that doctors can murder them under the nose of the public.... Sad

You are blind to one fact. I am not pro abortion, I am pro to removing abortion from the law book and then people this directly effect can choose their own choices without me influencing.

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

Abortion is murder. It kills a child. I am not going to go into endless definitions of life that are determined solely by how you view this question rather than objectively. If a child can be born at 22 weeks gestation and live then how can a child of 25 weeks be aborted and it NOT be murder.

I don't get my position from The Church. I get it from the morals I was taught and understand to be true.

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Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime
Reply #39 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

____ wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

qanda ... barnaby joyce opposes abortion and so supports abortion being a criminal crime.

Shame Barnaby, shame.

There are many who oppose same sex marriage, but you don't hear anyone calling for it to be a crime. Grow up, grub.

You miss the point completely.

Those that oppose abortion for moral reasons can remain on their perches, looking down on everyone, wagging their fingers ... no one is asking for these people to shift.

What is required is removal of abortion as a criminal crime, that very easily could be used to jail women who has an abortion.

Barnaby was asked about removal of this law and he ran for the hills and refused to say why.

Murder is already a "criminal crime"

Abortion is 'murder'. (infanticide) Sad

That is your moral decision.
A foetus is not a human as a fertilised egg is not a chicken.

Wag your moral finger all you like ... removing abortion from the crime law book should be a federal election issue.

This abuse of a women's right over her body by men is a part of the reason so many women are murdered by their (ex) partners.

Thus sayeth a gay that will never father a child. You are disqualified from even holding an opinion, nevermind stating it.

Maria, since you are new here then you would of missed my posts on threads about my three children. When longweekend get's back, he can verify this for me.

And your opinion that not having children disqualifying a right to expressing an opinion here ... sorry you're only a pleb, not a dictator.

You don't have children. You would be every child's nightmare plus it involves something you dont like - women.

Maria, will explain this once to you and when longweekend returns, he can back me up, since long and I have discussed this a few times ... alcohol and a turkey baster dare ... with three different women. 100% hit rate ... hows that for virile !

And no, not looking for a fourth, so don't ask sweetie.

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Reply #40 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:00pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

Huh

It is interesting that you use the word 'live'. Apparently you are unaware what an abortion is. It certainly is not LIFE.

Context Maria....If that is the best rebuttal you have why did you bother....Quite a silly argument to make when you support the death penalty!!!

Huh

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Reply #41 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

I only against the females that willingly murder their own children and the 'executioners' that perform the act?

And I'm not against choice at all. See Reply#22

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

No, reproduction is entirely up to the female.

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Reply #42 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

A foetus is not a human

You sound like Goebbels reincarnated? Sad

In your mind, anyone who opposed your demands to control women, would sound like Goebbels.

....no....Goebbels dehumanised Jews, Eastern Europeans, etc with propaganda so that the Nazis could murder them under the noses of the public

Pro-abortion protagonists like yourself dehumanise foetuses with propaganda so that doctors can murder them under the nose of the public.... Sad

You are blind to one fact. I am not pro abortion, I am pro to removing abortion from the law book and then people this directly effect can choose their own choices without me influencing.

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

Abortion is murder. It kills a child. I am not going to go into endless definitions of life that are determined solely by how you view this question rather than objectively. If a child can be born at 22 weeks gestation and live then how can a child of 25 weeks be aborted and it NOT be murder.

I don't get my position from The Church. I get it from the morals I was taught and understand to be true.

An egg can never be a chicken and a chicken can never be an egg.

A foetus is not a human and that why the human population clock, counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #43 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:12pm ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm: An egg can never be a chicken ....you didn't do too well at biology I assume
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #44 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm: counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus. ...they are all foetuses
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Question: Should abortion be a crime?
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Yes, in all cases. 3 (13.0%) No, in all cases. 12 (52.2%) Yes, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) Yes, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Yes, but only for illegal providers 5 (21.7%) No, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) No, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Only in cases not caused by crime or danger 3 (13.0%) Total votes: 23 « Created by: Grappler Deep State Feller on: Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:35am »