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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #45 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:12pm: ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm: An egg can never be a chicken ....you didn't do too well at biology I assume If a person get's out of a car, that person was never 'the car'.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #46 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm: ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm: counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus. ...they are all foetuses You are a foetus?
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Reply #47 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:22pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

I only against the females that willingly murder their own children and the 'executioners' that perform the act?

And I'm not against choice at all. See Reply#22

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

No, reproduction is entirely up to the female.

This is not about reproduction. It's about men stepping back. Women control their own bodies.
By opposing this, you are a proponent of domestic violence ... which kill women in huge numbers.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #48 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:23pm ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm: ____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm: counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus. ...they are all foetuses You are a foetus? .....a mature one yes, aren't you?
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Reply #49 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:24pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

Huh

oh really? Thats a new one. Make that up as well as so much else you state?

I admit I have been wrong before and probably will be again....Perhaps you should read more and educate yourself a bit Maria!!!

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http://mic.com/articles/48691/the-7-most-outrageous-gop-explanations-for-why-rap...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/a-canard-that-will-not-die-l...

http://theweek.com/articles/472972/rape-cant-cause-pregnancy-brief-history-todd-...

There are many more examples if you choose to look....A simple sorry will do Maria!!!

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Reply #50 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus.

...they are all foetuses

You are a foetus?

.....a mature one yes, aren't you?

I am a human being, not a foetus being.

The afterbirth of the birth process ... are you that also?

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Reply #51 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

I only against the females that willingly murder their own children and the 'executioners' that perform the act?

And I'm not against choice at all. See Reply#22

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

No, reproduction is entirely up to the female.

This is not about reproduction. It's about men stepping back. Women control their own bodies.
By opposing this, you are a proponent of domestic violence ... which kill women in huge numbers.

No, it's about someone defending the inalienable human right of the unborn child to its life.

Society protects children up till 18 years because they are apparently unable to look after themselves properly. Likewise a foetus is even more helpless. Society should protect them.

Particularly these days, a female can choose whether to conceive or not. That is totally her choice (unless raped)?

Once conception occurs, another human's choice to live has to enter the equation. The brand new human has the same right to life as anyone else.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20542 Perth Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #52 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:46pm What about incest, forced marriage, mental incapacity, health concerns or any other myriad of problems that cannot be foreseen....Once the woman's right to choose is taken away who makes the decision to keep the child???
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Reply #53 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Now I repeat a point I made previously and you ignored.
The anti women's choice mobsters like you are part of the problem that cause the high rates of domestic violence and so the mass murder of women occurring in Australia. Care to comment on your complicity.

I only against the females that willingly murder their own children and the 'executioners' that perform the act?

And I'm not against choice at all. See Reply#22

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

No, reproduction is entirely up to the female.

This is not about reproduction. It's about men stepping back. Women control their own bodies.
By opposing this, you are a proponent of domestic violence ... which kill women in huge numbers.

No, it's about someone defending the inalienable human right of the unborn child to its life.

Society protects children up till 18 years because they are apparently unable to look after themselves properly. Likewise a foetus is even more helpless. Society should protect them.

Particularly these days, a female can choose whether to conceive or not. That is totally her choice (unless raped)?

Once conception occurs, another human's choice to live has to enter the equation. The brand new human has the same right to life as anyone else.

Your arrogant position of controlling another human's bodies, women, is complicit with the perpetrators of domestic violence. They too think they have rights over their ex/partner's body.

If you want to protect children, then how about defending the children being raped in Australia's offshore and onshore gulags.
And if you want to take pressure off and so assist in abortions decreasing, go out and foster some children dumped into institutions because there is no one interested in fostering or adoption them.

Walk the walk. Stop dictating what others should do and be an agent for change.

www.ozchild.org.au/foster-care/

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Reply #54 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus.

...they are all foetuses

You are a foetus?

.....a mature one yes, aren't you?

I am a human being, not a foetus being.

The afterbirth of the birth process ... are you that also?

You were a human baby and before that a human foetus and now a human adult, but still a human.

Your attitude is a perfect example of the propaganda of the pro-abortionists. They try to dehumanise a human foetus to hoodwink the public into thinking that it is somehow not a crime to kill it. Sad

That's the same tactic the Nazis used to hide their genocide.

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Reply #55 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

What about incest, forced marriage, mental incapacity, health concerns or any other myriad of problems that cannot be foreseen....Once the woman's right to choose is taken away who makes the decision to keep the child???

Huh

The usual argument. Extreme cases. What would be the percentage of abortions where all these apply I wonder?

In any case, even when rape has been perpetrated, the foetus is not the guilty party there, so why should they be executed?

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Reply #56 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

____ wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

counting humans, ...currently around 7,370,350,000 ... not one of them are a foetus.

...they are all foetuses

You are a foetus?

.....a mature one yes, aren't you?

I am a human being, not a foetus being.

The afterbirth of the birth process ... are you that also?

You were a human baby and before that a human foetus and now a human adult, but still a human.

Your attitude is a perfect example of the propaganda of the pro-abortionists. They try to dehumanise a human foetus to hoodwink the public into thinking that it is somehow not a crime to kill it. Sad

That's the same tactic the Nazis used to hide their genocide.

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

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Reply #57 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

What about incest, forced marriage, mental incapacity, health concerns or any other myriad of problems that cannot be foreseen....Once the woman's right to choose is taken away who makes the decision to keep the child???

Huh

The usual argument. Extreme cases. What would be the percentage of abortions where all these apply I wonder?

In any case, even when rape has been perpetrated, the foetus is not the guilty party there, so why should they be executed?

I am glad I do not have to make that choice Swag....Who should???

Huh

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Reply #58 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

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Reply #59 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

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Question: Should abortion be a crime?
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Yes, in all cases. 3 (13.0%) No, in all cases. 12 (52.2%) Yes, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) Yes, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Yes, but only for illegal providers 5 (21.7%) No, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) No, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Only in cases not caused by crime or danger 3 (13.0%) Total votes: 23 « Created by: Grappler Deep State Feller on: Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:35am »