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Reply #60 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

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Do you agree with Greens_win that a foetus is not a human?

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Reply #61 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

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Do you agree with Greens_win that a foetus is not a human?

I believe all life is sacred and abortions should only be allowed once the woman has been counselled and given all relevant information about alternatives and consequences....However the choice should still remain with the woman who must live with the decision....At what point a sperm and egg become a human is something I am not qualified to determine but life is not recognised until the first breath is taken I would have thought....Education about contraception and reproduction should be mandatory for all high school students IMO!!!

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Reply #62 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:48pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

I believe all life is sacred

Well Phil I don't have that belief. I'm actually pro voluntary euthanasia and capital punishment as there are some evil buggers out there that should just be put against a wall and blown away for their crimes.

You mention a woman's "choice". The freedom for an individual to choose is indeed important. That freedom should not be impinged upon, unless that individual choice impacts detrimentally (or in the case of abortion, lethally) on another individual. A foetus is undoubtedly a human and an individual.

There may be exceptional cases where abortion can be justifiable homicide such as self preservation, defense etc.

Individuals can 'choose' whether to end their life which is voluntary euthanasia

Criminals that commit capital crimes 'choose' to commit those capital crimes.

Woman can choose whether to or not to get pregnant.

But when it comes to babies, kids, teens, old people, insane people society protects them because society deems that as individuals they don't have the capacity to 'choose' for themselves.

I believe that life begins at conception. You don't need a qualification to figure that out. Take away the conception and there is no foetus, no baby, no child, teen or adult human. Society should protect the life so it can live and make its own choices.

Once conception has occurred and abortion is sought, there are 2 choices to contend with, and life should overrule lifestyle.

That is my view. Sad

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Reply #63 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:54am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:00pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

I am torn on this issue because it is far from black and white....I wish abortion was never necessary but that is not the issue!!!

If a woman is raped and falls pregnant (some conservative nut jobs contest woman cannot conceive from rape) then I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

If there is a health issue with the mother or foetus that could result in either being harmed I can understand wanting to terminate the pregnancy!!!

I also believe woman have the right to choose and must live with the consequences of their decision which would not be easy!!!

I also believe religion should be taken out of the debate as it is irrelevant what any religious denomination believes concerning laws and policies....Unless of course you are prepared to accept Muslims have a right to implement Sharia Law on those who chose to follow Islam...Separation of Church and State cannot be selective!!!

In the end it is the woman who must live with the decisions they make and therefor should be free to make that choice without fear of penalty!!!

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It is interesting that you use the word 'live'. Apparently you are unaware what an abortion is. It certainly is not LIFE.

Context Maria....If that is the best rebuttal you have why did you bother....Quite a silly argument to make when you support the death penalty!!!

Huh

I oppose the death penalty and always have just as I oppose abortion and always will. At least quote me correctly!

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Reply #64 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:55am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

Roll Eyes

Do you agree with Greens_win that a foetus is not a human?

I believe all life is sacred and abortions should only be allowed once the woman has been counselled and given all relevant information about alternatives and consequences....However the choice should still remain with the woman who must live with the decision....At what point a sperm and egg become a human is something I am not qualified to determine but life is not recognised until the first breath is taken I would have thought....Education about contraception and reproduction should be mandatory for all high school students IMO!!!

Huh

Then you would be wrong. If you shoot a pregnant woman and the fetus dies then you will be charged with murder of an unborn child.

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Reply #65 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

Roll Eyes

Millions of women were Nazis.

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Reply #66 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:46am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

Roll Eyes

Do you agree with Greens_win that a foetus is not a human?

I believe all life is sacred and abortions should only be allowed once the woman has been counselled and given all relevant information about alternatives and consequences....However the choice should still remain with the woman who must live with the decision....At what point a sperm and egg become a human is something I am not qualified to determine but life is not recognised until the first breath is taken I would have thought....Education about contraception and reproduction should be mandatory for all high school students IMO!!!

Huh

In late term abortion there are cases where the foetus's life is viable outside the womb. In these cases the abortion process includes deliberately killing the foetus to ensure that it does not survive.

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Reply #67 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:09am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

You have just demonised millions of woman who have had abortions Swag, with no regard to their struggle or reasons for making one of the hardest decisions a woman might have to make....I thought you where better than that!!!

There's millions of dead babies in that equation too that never got the opportunity to draw a breath or make a choice. I thought you were better than that!!!

I never compared millions of woman to Nazis Swag....That would be you!!!

Roll Eyes

Do you agree with Greens_win that a foetus is not a human?

I believe all life is sacred and abortions should only be allowed once the woman has been counselled and given all relevant information about alternatives and consequences....However the choice should still remain with the woman who must live with the decision....At what point a sperm and egg become a human is something I am not qualified to determine but life is not recognised until the first breath is taken I would have thought....Education about contraception and reproduction should be mandatory for all high school students IMO!!!

Huh

In late term abortion there are cases where the foetus's life is viable outside the womb. In these cases the abortion process includes deliberately killing the foetus to ensure that it does not survive.

It is hard to stomach how anyone could do that or support it. Every abortion supporter should be forced to watch a late-term abortion - without a vomit bag.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Barnaby = Abortion Being A Criminal Crime Reply #68 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land. You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.
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Reply #69 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:25am

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land.

You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.

No women in Australia should be jailed for committing a MURDER?

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Reply #70 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:26am

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land.

You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.

Do you remember what the guy on the panel said about the Victoria case and a need to be a bit careful of the consequences. I do basically agree by the way.

In my view this is a complex issue which is not as straight forward as a lot of people believe.

In my view there has to be a point where an unborn child has the right to not be killed.

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Reply #71 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land.

You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.

No women in Australia should be jailed for committing a MURDER?

Most States in Australia have a statutory definition of murder, and in the absence of an explicit definition of murder, we can look to the common law to give guidance on what are the constitute parts to the offence.

Murder is a flexible state and can exclude some stages foetuses.

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Reply #72 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:26am:

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land.

You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.

Do you remember what the guy on the panel said about the Victoria case and a need to be a bit careful of the consequences. I do basically agree by the way.

In my view this is a complex issue which is not as straight forward as a lot of people believe.

In my view there has to be a point where an unborn child has the right to not be killed.

I agree ... unless the mother's life is in risk at the later stage of pregnancy.

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Reply #73 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:43am

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

____ wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Yet the issue is concerning removing abortion from the criminal law books across the land.

You don't have to be pro abortion to agree with this. No women in Australia should be jailed for aborting a pregnancy.

No women in Australia should be jailed for committing a MURDER?

Most States in Australia have a statutory definition of murder, and in the absence of an explicit definition of murder, we can look to the common law to give guidance on what are the constitute parts to the offence.

Murder is a flexible state and can exclude some stages foetuses.

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Question: Should abortion be a crime?
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Yes, in all cases. 3 (13.0%) No, in all cases. 12 (52.2%) Yes, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) Yes, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Yes, but only for illegal providers 5 (21.7%) No, for the procurer only. 0 (0.0%) No, for the provider only 0 (0.0%) Only in cases not caused by crime or danger 3 (13.0%) Total votes: 23 « Created by: Grappler Deep State Feller on: Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:35am »