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Barnaby: carbon tax rips off consumer mmmkay
Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am
 
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

The very idea is pure comedy given that direct action consists of paying billions of tax-payer money to big business to say "pretty please, can you reduce your emissions?" Which becomes even more of a farce now we know that most of the money has gone to emission-reducing projects that industry was going to do anyway!

This is billions of dollars that could be going into schools and hospitals. Not to mention the billions that have been lost in lost carbon tax revenue.

Tony should have asked Barnaby how much more his beloved constituency will be paying in medical bills because his government is diverting literally billions for a different carbon tax.
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Reply #1 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:27am
 
I have to admit, I had a good laugh when Tony kept asking him what the total cost of DA would be to get to the 30% reductions, when a 5% reduction was costing $2B

I thought Barnacles would have a heart attack  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:35am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

The very idea is pure comedy given that direct action consists of paying billions of tax-payer money to big business to say "pretty please, can you reduce your emissions?" Which becomes even more of a farce now we know that most of the money has gone to emission-reducing projects that industry was going to do anyway!

This is billions of dollars that could be going into schools and hospitals. Not to mention the billions that have been lost in lost carbon tax revenue.

Tony should have asked Barnaby how much more his beloved constituency will be paying in medical bills because his government is diverting literally billions for a different carbon tax.


The problem is, Barnaby's got Turnbull over a barrel on this one. The whole electricity prices versus action on climate change ruse is a complete porkie. With the carbon tax, the electricity companies were free to change to renewables and avoid paying the tax.

With direct action, the taxpayer pays the electricity companies to do what they were going to do anyway. And Barnaby gets away with pretending he's keeping electricity costs down for the poorest people in Australia.

The National Party must have had a revelation. They've gone from defending the mining companies and electricity generators who pay for their re-election to speaking up for pensioners.

Given the effect of the carbon tax on electricity bills, this has to be the biggest con ever dumped on the Australian public.
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Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:41am
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 11:27am:
I have to admit, I had a good laugh when Tony kept asking him what the total cost of DA would be to get to the 30% reductions, when a 5% reduction was costing $2B

I thought Barnacles would have a heart attack  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Barnaby knows that Direct Action (subsidies to CO2 emitters) will have less impact on CO2 emissions than the death of manufacturing in Australia.

The Coalition know that they can meet their target through the declining economy. We know one thing: they're not going to be spending more on Direct Action.
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Reply #4 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:12pm
 
Hello, companies! Got a bill to pay? No problem! Make the taxpayer pick up the tab. Socialise the losses! As only the Liberals and Nationals do.

The so-called "direct action plan" is a farce. Do we really think for a second that giving out taxpayers' money for over 100 projects that were already completed would stand scrutiny?

This policy costs as much as the carbon levy did. The difference is that the cost is buried deep inside consolidated revenue rather than being on the bill for all to see.
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Reply #5 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:15pm
 
Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.



My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.
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Reply #7 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:24pm
 
What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?
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Reply #8 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:15pm:
Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.


It's the most obvious snowjob I've ever seen attempted. And if it went unquestioned on Q&A, imagine how it'll play out on talkback radio.
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Reply #9 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:28pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?


2.40 per bill cycle , which was gobbled up by CPI increases , still waiting for my 535 bucks  Roll Eyes
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Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.



My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
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Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.


Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.
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mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?


Good to see you wanting to learn more, Maria. I've saved $32 a year on my electricity bill since the carbon tax was repealed.

It pales in comparison to the cost of Direct Action, no?

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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:15pm:
Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.


Those photos of Barnaby and Gina raise a few eyebrows.
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Reply #13 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.



My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
Quote:
Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.


Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.


I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground.

The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries.
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Reply #14 - Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am:
I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.



My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:
Quote:
Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.


Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.


What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?
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