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Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.

Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal just knows these things.

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Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:32am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.

Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal just knows these things.

of course thats true.....but I cant think of a fairer way of everyone paying th esame can you?? in DENMARK everything and I mean everything has a 25% VAT chg..

our 10% is about the lowest in the world...instead of whingeing we should be thinking how lucky we are....

we are becoming the land of whingers...

how many people look to see how much they pay in GST on their dockets???...

just for the hell of it I now have yesterdays list in front of me.. at WOollies.. because I am lazy I spent a total of $90.96.... a grand total of $3.64 in GST... and a savings. [specials] $12.93....

wow the states got a whopping $3.64 out of me yesterday... Roll Eyes

youi know I am not against what TAX i pay....but I do get pizzzzzzzzed about how its spent at times..

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #17 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:33am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:28am:

Brendon wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax.

A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that.

Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor.

Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer.
I'd rather stick with the 10%...

We still have Sales Tax, and the Sales Taxes we had were very clearly bracketed, so that the luxury items incurred the higher tax. Besides that sales tax wasn't on everything, and the GST did nothing for struggling lower income families but tax them where they were not previously taxed.

If a single tax regime had gone the whole way instead of the usual half measures clearly intended to muddy the waters and choke the fish so that they were easier for the government to pull in without their noticing, it might have worked.

What is Baird offering us in return for a higher and higher GST? More government spending on rip-off sellouts to his mates so everyone pays more again, more government spending on non-essentials, more padding of government offices - yet at the same time unemployment rises, cost of living goes up endlessly, and a never-ending demand for more and more money and control over society through control of money by the State.

We need a more refined tax system with only a few strands instead of the current hodge-podge that only ever succeeds in taking from the honest.

In actual fact, that part of the Income Tax Act that deals with the tax payable by the PAYE taxpayer is relatively straightforward and would only run into something like 30 pages or so.The other 3 thick volumes of the Tax Act, running into thousands of pages, deals with all the tax lurks, tax schemes, tax breaks, tax deductions, tax concessions and tax giveaways to the wealthy and the business sector.

Why do you think there is anything untoward in that? A business is vastly more complex than a simply employee. Employees pay just one tax and have no input costs other that union fees and the possible purchase of a uniform. Businesses have vastly more costs etc.

Is this just another anti-business rant?

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #18 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:34am

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

come on there was a time when ......those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE.....

As always you talk through you hat. The GST made absolutely no changes to that state of affairs and its worse now the its ever been.

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #19 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:37am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.

Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal just knows these things.

Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK.

You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments.

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Reply #20 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:39am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Yes, there's no GST on garage sales and flea markets, which is where poor front bottoms should be shopping as much as possible. Poor migrants flood these places, and they pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but poor aussies are more interested in appearing rich than actually not being poor, by spending stupid amounts on shoes, gadgets and hot cars. Thus, they'll be forever poor through their own poor choices.

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In the fullness of time...

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #21 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:55am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

come on there was a time when ......those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE.....

As always you talk through you hat. The GST made absolutely no changes to that state of affairs and its worse now the its ever been.

what utter crap. take a trip overseas then come back and tell us we have got it so tough... Roll Eyes

I dont think you even know what you are whingeing about...

what the hell does that mean.. WORSE THAN WHAT pray...

you just find fault with everything there are some who will never be happy no matter what they are given... ..

I paid $3.64 in GST on a $90 grocery bill.. how bloody tough is that... Roll Eyes

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #22 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:02am

... wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Yes, there's no GST on garage sales and flea markets, which is where poor nice people should be shopping as much as possible. Poor migrants flood these places, and they pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but poor aussies are more interested in appearing rich than actually not being poor, by spending stupid amounts on shoes, gadgets and hot cars. Thus, they'll be forever poor through their own poor choices.

not forgetting queuing up for days to buy the latest mob.phone....

I dont see the pubs and clubs crying POOR either....so I wonder whos filling them up?... Roll Eyes

would Packer build his massive Casino at Barangaroo if
we were all so poor???>..... Grin

we have more pokermachines in this country than anywhere else in the world....Las Vegas eat your heart out.

thats how tough we do it..

and as far as I know.. NO ONE IS FORCED TO PLAY POKERMACHINES ITS THEIR CHOICE. Angry

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #23 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:13am

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.

Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal just knows these things.

Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK.

You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments.

Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST

As an example Pensions got 2% of a 4% indexation increase pushed forward by 6 months. Their compensation was to be given part of an inflation increase that they were already going to get a few months early.

This was meant to help them get past the introduction of the GST, nothing more.

Your airy fairy full compensation is BS, didn't happen.

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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #24 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:28am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.

Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal just knows these things.

Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK.

You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments.

Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST

As an example Pensions got 2% of a 4% indexation increase pushed forward by 6 months. Their compensation was to be given part of an inflation increase that they were already going to get a few months early.

This was meant to help them get past the introduction of the GST, nothing more.

Your airy fairy full compensation is BS, didn't happen.

You are nothing more than a sob-story on legs. I'm glad I married a real man and nothing like the whiny child you have become.

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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: GST is a tax on the poor Reply #25 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:15am Tax the poor and increase negative gearing benefits to the wealthy.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: GST is a tax on the poor Reply #26 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:25am Unforgiven wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:15am: Tax the poor and increase negative gearing benefits to the wealthy. yes yes yes..
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Re: GST is a tax on the poor
Reply #27 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:36pm

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Stupid post.

Try to say something that shows you have read the thread.

Here is a subject that points to the poverty trap, and you go the other way and blame low income people. And plenty of them work.

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: GST is a tax on the poor Reply #28 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:07pm mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:28am: I'm glad I married a real man and nothing like the whiny child you have become. quiet a catch your man isn't he ...
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: GST is a tax on the poor Reply #29 - Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:23pm Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!
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