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Reply #345 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:58am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:45am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:08pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 11:20am:

You are getting quite nasty, maria...

getting? have you been asleep the last few weeks?

I don't think maria is a nice upstanding Christian lady like her wife longy is.

Do you go to church maria?

Actually, Maria sounds typically Christian Cheesy

Good morning John

I'm a Christian. And I'm proud of it.

Might read back now....

That's OK Lisa, I won't hold it against you. I never said you were perfect

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Reply #346 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:00am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 5:18pm:

If women shut up, cooked the bloody dinner, cleaned the friggen house, looked after the kids and stopped saying no when their partner felt horny, there would be no domestic violence

Cheesy

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You're lucky I wasn't online when you posted this.

In many cases, women do all that....yet STILL face (physical/emotional etc) violence the moment their partner walks through the front door.

My comment was never meant to be taken seriously Lisa.

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Reply #347 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:04am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

I'm not coming into the cods' mouthy provocation. Like this:

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and from what we read the female.... is usually far from being provocative its the last thing she would do to get a beating..

Problem with that is that there are many people out there who reckon they can be as verbally abusive as they like, and there will be no response of one kind or another. It is human nature to push envelopes, and sometimes ~ tough tit ~ you come second.

As for your comment about Ladies in Refugees showing signs...well, I have no doubt they do. As a Cabbie, I often pick them up from the Refuge for some reason or other, and I have never ever had one in the Cab who was not a grub Mother yelling abuse at her kids for one reason or an other before, or during or immediately after the journey.

Further, all you are hearing is their (probably) embellished version.

Next time you are at the Refuge, ask the Managers how often and why they eject Women who are there.

Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time.

This needs to change.

lisa.. I can only tell what I know for a fact..

and its in ACT.....I have no idea what the rules are.. but for the life of me I cannot see any refuge throwing women and kids out to make room for others...

what we have here is a huge complex consisting of 1.2.even 3 bed room flats/apartments..all with management residence, my granddaughter was in one for almost 12 months..she was then given a govy flat...they even had a female in there waiting deportation...I think you will find things have moved on a little...of course there is still emergency accommodation which is probably what you are referring too...of course there would be a time limit but they dont get thrown out on the street which is what you have made it sound like..

not every female seeks this help... some dont even know it exists because we tend to cover up DV it isnt something we "talk" about is it??,. until 3 women get murdered in the same week...

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Reply #348 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:09am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 5:19pm:

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I'd also ask how violent spouses/partners get the address (that is supposedly secret) and come around at night trying to gain entry.

It is easy to get the address. So easy. Cabbies know where they are, as will everyone who has a relation, friend or associate who has been there. If I wanted to know where they all were on the Sunshine Coast, I'd get a female mate to feign a need for a Refuge, and Bob would be my Uncle.

And......if any male ever got even close to the inner sanctum of a Women's Refuge (....hmm.......hmmmmmm......hmmmmmmm???) they would be beaten senseless by the resident Sisterhood.

That's right, cabbies have to know because quite often they are the initial escape vehicle.

No they're not. Not at all.

aussie thinks hes god and has a direct line.. if he doesnt have one he should have....hilarious if every cabbie knew where these refuges were then what the hell would they be called refuges for..

he is basically saying no cab driver has ever been charged with DV... Roll Eyes

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and no female cab driver can be TRUSTED>.. really aussie???? Angry

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Reply #349 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 5:18pm:

If women shut up, cooked the bloody dinner, cleaned the friggen house, looked after the kids and stopped saying no when their partner felt horny, there would be no domestic violence

Cheesy

(I've gotta run before wifely dearest see this Grin

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You're lucky I wasn't online when you posted this.

In many cases, women do all that....yet STILL face (physical/emotional etc) violence the moment their partner walks through the front door.

My comment was never meant to be taken seriously Lisa.

Oh I know lol!

Some men do think that though. Just be aware....some really do think that way.

And they're posting in here.

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Reply #350 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:25am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

Not true Lisa ... Even I've visited women in a refuge. There is nothing to stop women calling cabs and there is no car service

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

agree

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

those that can't provide for themselves are moved into womens housing for 6 months ... although I'm sure there is a shortage of available housing

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time

they can't stay indefinitely

This needs to change.

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Reply #351 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:35am

I am sure there are many womens refuges all dealing with different degrees of threats... the one I went too..the women were all very traumatised...we went under very strict rules.. and only one women sat in the kitchen when we entered.. after a while others came out very slow..I would not think all those who seek this help are as bad as these women I saw...they were scared I can tell you....if cars were pulling up day and night I dont think the ones I saw would be able to stay there...this goes back btw before mobile phones..we lived in sad times then.. what on earth is it like now.. Angry

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Reply #352 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:39am

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

I'm not coming into the cods' mouthy provocation. Like this:

Quote:

and from what we read the female.... is usually far from being provocative its the last thing she would do to get a beating..

Problem with that is that there are many people out there who reckon they can be as verbally abusive as they like, and there will be no response of one kind or another. It is human nature to push envelopes, and sometimes ~ tough tit ~ you come second.

As for your comment about Ladies in Refugees showing signs...well, I have no doubt they do. As a Cabbie, I often pick them up from the Refuge for some reason or other, and I have never ever had one in the Cab who was not a grub Mother yelling abuse at her kids for one reason or an other before, or during or immediately after the journey.

Further, all you are hearing is their (probably) embellished version.

Next time you are at the Refuge, ask the Managers how often and why they eject Women who are there.

Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time.

This needs to change.

lisa.. I can only tell what I know for a fact..

and its in ACT.....I have no idea what the rules are.. but for the life of me I cannot see any refuge throwing women and kids out to make room for others...

what we have here is a huge complex consisting of 1.2.even 3 bed room flats/apartments..all with management residence, my granddaughter was in one for almost 12 months..she was then given a govy flat...they even had a female in there waiting deportation...I think you will find things have moved on a little...of course there is still emergency accommodation which is probably what you are referring too...of course there would be a time limit but they dont get thrown out on the street which is what you have made it sound like..

not every female seeks this help... some dont even know it exists because we tend to cover up DV it isnt something we "talk" about is it??,. until 3 women get murdered in the same week...

My post was written from a NSW perspective.

There is a crisis here wrt women's refuges.

Strict time frames exist within closely watched individually mapped case management plans.

Women and kids get ejected/moved on into other programs after this....but even those programs are now clogged.

Dept of Housing urgent lists = waiting for around 5 yrs.

Anyone want to guess what some women do?

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Reply #353 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:45am

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

I am sure there are many womens refuges all dealing with different degrees of threats... the one I went too..the women were all very traumatised...we went under very strict rules.. and only one women sat in the kitchen when we entered.. after a while others came out very slow..I would not think all those who seek this help are as bad as these women I saw...they were scared I can tell you....if cars were pulling up day and night I dont think the ones I saw would be able to stay there...this goes back btw before mobile phones..we lived in sad times then.. what on earth is it like now.. Angry

Back when I was involved in the industry, domestic violence was costing us about 4 billion per year.

Domestic violence is now costing us about 13 billion a yr.

That would suggest it's getting worse Cods.

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Reply #354 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

Not true Lisa ... Even I've visited women in a refuge. There is nothing to stop women calling cabs and there is no car service

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

agree

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

those that can't provide for themselves are moved into womens housing for 6 months ... although I'm sure there is a shortage of available housing

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time

they can't stay indefinitely

This needs to change.

Re your reply to 1.

NO WAY.

BREACH OF RULES HERE.

Your other responses? Spot on!

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Reply #355 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:53am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

Not true Lisa ... Even I've visited women in a refuge. There is nothing to stop women calling cabs and there is no car service

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

agree

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

those that can't provide for themselves are moved into womens housing for 6 months ... although I'm sure there is a shortage of available housing

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time

they can't stay indefinitely

This needs to change.

Re your reply to 1.

NO WAY.

BREACH OF RULES HERE.

Your other responses? Spot on!

Yes way ... they didn't really want to let me, but given my relationship with the person I was visiting they did. I even ended up living in womens housing for a short while, although that took a bit of an effort as well. The woman was so distraught they had no choice but to let someone she knew and trusted stay with her.

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Reply #356 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:31am

I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons. Often placing all of these in the same basket confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.

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Reply #357 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:32am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

I am sure there are many womens refuges all dealing with different degrees of threats... the one I went too..the women were all very traumatised...we went under very strict rules.. and only one women sat in the kitchen when we entered.. after a while others came out very slow..I would not think all those who seek this help are as bad as these women I saw...they were scared I can tell you....if cars were pulling up day and night I dont think the ones I saw would be able to stay there...this goes back btw before mobile phones..we lived in sad times then.. what on earth is it like now.. Angry

Back when I was involved in the industry, domestic violence was costing us about 4 billion per year.

Domestic violence is now costing us about 13 billion a yr.

That would suggest it's getting worse Cods.

Or that more money is being spent in an environment where costs have gone way up.

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Reply #358 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:51am

Lisa, you are not doing women a favour by misleading them.

Someone reading your posts might not call a cab in an emergency because you gave wrong information.

Taxi drivers DO know where the refuges are.

Anyone needing to get a taxi to the women's refuge?

The Pat Giles refuge can provide safe, crisis housing for single women and women with children to 18 years who have experienced family violence. ...

a refuge in an emergency phone Crisis Care 9223 1111 and they will assist you with a taxi.

http://patgilescentre.org.au/what-we-do/accommodation/

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Reply #359 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:56am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons. Often placing all of these in the same basket confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.

There are. Very few though.

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