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Reply #360 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.



They just opened one in the UK, for male victims of domestic violence.

You blokes have to get loud and proud.

Women fought for their rights for many, many years, some were a long time coming,  Now it's your turn.

Petition your state government for starters and get onto your MP's.
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Reply #361 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:03am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons.  Often placing all of these in the same basket  confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.




do the men usually take the children with them when they escape.??... like I said in my response there are all levels of abuse... refuges are usually for the worst and immediate removal..a safe haven for NOW...you do make a point though what about men...do they mainly go home to mum? do women stalk a man threatening death if they dont come back??...

it needs to be out there if we have an understanding of what is going on.. who knows mayb e we can prevent a lot of it happening...

if we sweep it under the carpet with silence...we wont change a thing...


fill us females in with what men have to endure...we need to know we can be just as bad if not worse..we have heard of awful things women do when it comes to children seeing their fathers I am appalled I might add at some of the stuff I have read....a lot of revenge it isnt good for sure....and a terrible example to set children...

there is no one size fits all with this ...but we need to all be on the same page...see it as Family not domestic..

stop covering it up....get the children to talk about it with their school teachers   make it a safe place for them to talk about whats going on at home.... it shouldnt need a visit from the police.. but people should know their kids are likely to talk to someone...it may make them think twice about their actions...

in my childhood "silence" was the abuse...I didnt know it then.. but it was like having a black cloud hanging over your heads..you dont want to remember your childhood... Angry
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Reply #362 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:07am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:51am:
Lisa, you are not doing women a favour by misleading them.

Someone reading your posts might not call a cab in an emergency because you gave wrong information.

Taxi drivers DO know where the refuges are.

Anyone needing to get a taxi to the women's refuge?

The Pat Giles refuge can provide safe, crisis housing for single women and women with children to 18 years who have experienced family violence. ...

a refuge in an emergency phone Crisis Care 9223 1111 and they will assist you with a taxi.

http://patgilescentre.org.au/what-we-do/accommodation/


You are merely googling again.

As stated before, I'm talking NSW.

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Reply #363 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:07am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:51am:
Lisa, you are not doing women a favour by misleading them.

Someone reading your posts might not call a cab in an emergency because you gave wrong information.

Taxi drivers DO know where the refuges are.

Anyone needing to get a taxi to the women's refuge?

The Pat Giles refuge can provide safe, crisis housing for single women and women with children to 18 years who have experienced family violence. ...

a refuge in an emergency phone Crisis Care 9223 1111 and they will assist you with a taxi.

http://patgilescentre.org.au/what-we-do/accommodation/



well done pansi.. but they are not the taxi company...thats what aussie is claiming he can get anyone to find out where they are even though hes already claimed he knows where they are....

very few people would have these addresses...as we have seen pansi in your neck of the woods Qld.. 3 women in one week murdered by their partners..

do dvos work.. no they dont....we have some very violent people out there who are hell bent on taking someones life...one of those women was also pregnant.. so two lives gone just like that.
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Reply #364 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:09am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 7:24am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 1st, 2015 at 4:58pm:
I'm not coming into the cods' mouthy provocation.  Like this:

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and from what we read the female.... is usually far from being provocative   its the last thing she would do to get a beating..


Problem with that is that there are many people out there who reckon they can be as verbally abusive as they like, and there will be no response of one kind or another.  It is human nature to push envelopes, and sometimes ~ tough tit ~ you come second.

As for your comment about Ladies in Refugees showing signs...well, I have no doubt they do.  As a Cabbie, I often pick them up from the Refuge for some reason or other, and I have never ever had one in the Cab who was not a grub Mother yelling abuse at her kids for one reason or an other before, or during or immediately after the journey.

Further, all you are hearing is their (probably) embellished version.

Next time you are at the Refuge, ask the Managers how often and why they eject Women who are there.


Cods...some facts.

1. The addresses of refuges are kept secret. Even cab drivers are not allowed to know where they are. Also, refuges have their own cars to transport their residents to and from. Cabs are not used.

2. You are spot on about the incidence of no provocation.

3. The Managers of the few refuges which are around, eject women manly because they have many more waiting on their urgent lists. Lack of funding is a critical issue.

This needs to change.

Those women who are lucky to get into a refuge, can only stay for a set period of time.

This needs to change.



Many get booted for unacceptable behaviour.  I have picked many evictees from the local refugees.  Jones, they do not have signs up saying 'Women's Refuge.'  Women wanting transport from or to the Refuge will do what everyone does ~ call a Cab.  It ain't hard to work out when you have gone to the same address many times to pick up a single woman with several ankle biters, even if the woman does not tell you in general conversation.
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Reply #365 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:10am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:56am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.



They just opened one in the UK, for male victims of domestic violence.

You blokes have to get loud and proud.

Women fought for their rights for many, many years, some were a long time coming,  Now it's your turn.

Petition your state government for starters and get onto your MP's.




theres a shame thing added to all this isnt there??...but its the perp that needs outing not the victim..... no one should have to leave their home to get away from someone....the villain stays put..it isnt fair at all..
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Reply #366 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:12am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:32am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 8:45am:
cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 8:35am:
I am sure there are many womens refuges all dealing with different degrees of threats... the one I went too..the women were all very traumatised...we went under very strict rules.. and only one women sat in the kitchen when we entered.. after a while others came out very slow..I would not think all those who seek this help are as bad as these women I saw...they were scared I can tell you....if cars were pulling up day and night I dont think the ones I saw would be able to stay there...this goes back btw before mobile phones..we lived in sad times then.. what on earth is it like now.. Angry


Back when I was involved in the industry, domestic violence was costing us about 4 billion per year.

Domestic violence is now costing us about 13 billion a yr.

That would suggest it's getting worse Cods.


Or that more money is being spent in an environment where costs have gone way up.


The situation is in crisis. Current programs reflect under funding and in some instances defunding.

Some women can't access the right type of help because of funding issues and waiting times.... so they return home with the protection of a piece of paper (AVO).

This needs to change.
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Reply #367 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:16am
 
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs_menu/parents_carers_and_families/domestic_a...

Domestic Violence Line

If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, you can ring the Domestic Violence Line for help on 1800 656 463 (TTY 1800 671 442).

The Domestic Violence Line is a statewide free-call number and is available 24 hours, seven days a week.

Trained caseworkers

The Domestic Violence Line provides telephone counselling, information and referrals for women and same-sex partners who are experiencing or have experienced domestic violence.

Trained female caseworkers are sensitive to the needs of people who have experienced domestic violence.

Domestic Violence Line staff are aware of the special needs of Aboriginal women and women from other cultures, as well as those living in rural and remote areas.

Interpreters and TTY can be arranged where necessary to ensure that all people, regardless of their language or disability can use the service.

The service has an extensive list of contacts, people and services across NSW who can help.

Refuge referrals

The Domestic Violence Line makes referrals to women's refuges and explains what they are and what they do.

It also makes referrals to family support services, counselling, the police and courts, lawyers and hospitals. It helps with transport, emergency accommodation and other relevant support.


AVOs

Caseworkers can explain what an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO) is and how to obtain one. Police intervention can be arranged where appropriate and assistance can be provided to transport women and children to a safe place.

other support, information and counselling on domestic violence

If you are experiencing domestic violence, or know someone who is, there are many organisations who can help. Here are some useful links and helplines:

Rape Crisis Centre/Sexual Assault Hotline – 02 9819 6565 or 1800 424 017
1800RESPECT – A national Line which can support victims of trauma
Women’s Legal Services NSW – Domestic Violence Advocacy Service (DVAS) – 1800 810 784 or 02 8745 6999
Immigrant Women’s Speakout Association of NSW – 02 9635 8022
RSPCA Safe Pets Program – 02 9770 7555
The RSPCA Safe Beds for Pets program provides temporary housing for pets of people who are seeking refuge from domestic violence
Domestic violence at work – provides information and support to working women experiencing domestic violence on how to stay safe at work
Victims Access Line – 1800 633 063
Provides confidential support, referral and information for victims of crime
Another Closet – services and Information on violence in gay and lesbian relationships
Mensline – a 24 hour service for men which has counsellors who are trained in dealing with male victims of domestic violence
Women’s Domestic Violence Court Advocacy Program – 1300 888 529
The Women’s Domestic Violence Court Advocacy Services (WDVCASs) provide court support, advocacy, referrals and information. Some WDVCAS have specialist workers to help Aboriginal women, or women from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds.

Looks easy hey.

Call, talk....they will help you with next step planning.

Problem no 1.

Getting a call through in the 1st place.Expect to wait forever IF your call gets through.

This needs to change.
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Reply #368 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:18am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:16am:
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs_menu/parents_carers_and_families/domestic_a...

Call, talk....they will help you with next step planning.

Problem no 1.

Getting a call through in the 1st place.Expect to wait forever IF your call gets through.

This needs to change.


"You are merely googling again."
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Reply #369 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:19am
 
cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:03am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons.  Often placing all of these in the same basket  confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.




do the men usually take the children with them when they escape.??... like I said in my response there are all levels of abuse... refuges are usually for the worst and immediate removal..a safe haven for NOW...you do make a point though what about men...do they mainly go home to mum? do women stalk a man threatening death if they dont come back??...

it needs to be out there if we have an understanding of what is going on.. who knows mayb e we can prevent a lot of it happening...

if we sweep it under the carpet with silence...we wont change a thing...


fill us females in with what men have to endure...we need to know we can be just as bad if not worse..we have heard of awful things women do when it comes to children seeing their fathers I am appalled I might add at some of the stuff I have read....a lot of revenge it isnt good for sure....and a terrible example to set children...

there is no one size fits all with this ...but we need to all be on the same page...see it as Family not domestic..

stop covering it up....get the children to talk about it with their school teachers   make it a safe place for them to talk about whats going on at home.... it shouldnt need a visit from the police.. but people should know their kids are likely to talk to someone...it may make them think twice about their actions...

in my childhood "silence" was the abuse...I didnt know it then.. but it was like having a black cloud hanging over your heads..you dont want to remember your childhood... Angry


Cods your posts are very interesting to read.

Thank you for them.
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Reply #370 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:20am
 
cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:10am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:56am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.



They just opened one in the UK, for male victims of domestic violence.

You blokes have to get loud and proud.

Women fought for their rights for many, many years, some were a long time coming,  Now it's your turn.

Petition your state government for starters and get onto your MP's.




theres a shame thing added to all this isnt there??...but its the perp that needs outing not the victim..... no one should have to leave their home to get away from someone....the villain stays put..it isnt fair at all..


Life vs shelter.

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Reply #371 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:21am
 
I havent heard of a crisis in accommodation anywhere to be honest lisa....

its the prevention of murder thats in crisis.. how does this keep happening over and over again..

the children babies that are murdered almost every week is beyond my comprehension...this is not just a GOVT problem... I always ask.. where are the extended families??..why are the never mentioned??..if a man laid a finger on my kids or my grandkids I would clean him up...he would have to put me in hospital..no way could I stand by whilst that was going on....so where is everybody?????....have we really sunk so low we dont notice black and blue... Sad Sad
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Reply #372 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:24am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:16am:
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs_menu/parents_carers_and_families/domestic_a...

Call, talk....they will help you with next step planning.

Problem no 1.

Getting a call through in the 1st place.Expect to wait forever IF your call gets through.

This needs to change.



weve have had lifeline since forever lisa....

we all need to step up...we leave it for the few to deal with....

now its become an avalanche out of control.
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Reply #373 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:27am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:19am:
cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:03am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 9:31am:
I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons.  Often placing all of these in the same basket  confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.




do the men usually take the children with them when they escape.??... like I said in my response there are all levels of abuse... refuges are usually for the worst and immediate removal..a safe haven for NOW...you do make a point though what about men...do they mainly go home to mum? do women stalk a man threatening death if they dont come back??...

it needs to be out there if we have an understanding of what is going on.. who knows mayb e we can prevent a lot of it happening...

if we sweep it under the carpet with silence...we wont change a thing...


fill us females in with what men have to endure...we need to know we can be just as bad if not worse..we have heard of awful things women do when it comes to children seeing their fathers I am appalled I might add at some of the stuff I have read....a lot of revenge it isnt good for sure....and a terrible example to set children...

there is no one size fits all with this ...but we need to all be on the same page...see it as Family not domestic..

stop covering it up....get the children to talk about it with their school teachers   make it a safe place for them to talk about whats going on at home.... it shouldnt need a visit from the police.. but people should know their kids are likely to talk to someone...it may make them think twice about their actions...

in my childhood "silence" was the abuse...I didnt know it then.. but it was like having a black cloud hanging over your heads..you dont want to remember your childhood... Angry


Cods your posts are very interesting to read.

Thank you for them.



WOW thats a first... thank you.... I am usually called nasty names for my posts...

I try to keep a serious thread on topic as some tend to track off.....and this topic is about a cancer in our community that is spreading..... we need to face it and deal with it heavily no more slaps on the wrist..

I am talking about the violent issues... not just people acting mean
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Reply #374 - Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:29am
 
cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:24am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 10:16am:
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs_menu/parents_carers_and_families/domestic_a...

Call, talk....they will help you with next step planning.

Problem no 1.

Getting a call through in the 1st place.Expect to wait forever IF your call gets through.

This needs to change.



weve have had lifeline since forever lisa....

we all need to step up...we leave it for the few to deal with....

now its become an avalanche out of control.


YES

YES

YES.

Pssst...I've got 2 kids studying law. Both are aiming to get into this area and help out.

They could easily make better money in other areas of law....but they want to make a difference  Smiley
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