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Reply #450 - Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Couple of things there. I, and not one Member of any of my Family, extended as much as you like ever, experienced domestic violence. Why did I miss out on this marvel. Was it sheer luck? I reckon not. I reckon it was all to do with having basic values and mixing with people who also had the same basic values.

"It did untold damage to the kids, and she still took him back

oh is this another aussie thread... Roll Eyes

you do realise some women are driven into the ground and have no self esteem enough to get out....thats why we are talking about this topic[or trying too]... and not the life and times of aussie..

I agree it has SFA to do with me personally. I have never been touched by it. How about you consider ....... why? Where do people get their lack of self esteem from?

I am the result of FAMILY violence, and therefore I trump you all, and yet I see no virtue in demonising and criminalising ONE component of 'family' to attain some mythical savage 'empowerment' of the other.

My mother stabbed me once and abandoned us all..our father neglected us nigh unto death (I nearly died of double pneumonia at 14, and NONE of We Four had shoes for school, books and even warm blankets and clothes for winter - my sister after myself and I between us had THE two highest IQs in our school - yet have struggled for a basic existence), and intermittently beat my brother (who eventually died as a result of his schizophrenia and paranoia derived from his upbringing) and I, while neglecting our two sisters to the point that they have no self esteem and no moral and social compasses, and no idea of what a REAL MAN was.

None of you can tell me about Family Violence and neglect and abuse.... and yet - I will say again - my children NEVER were beaten, neglected, abused, or left in any way without anything, and both earned scholarships to a private secondary college.

No person, in any situation or from any background, can justify abuse and neglect or violence towards family and their very own ... family is all we have.. and the best thing I ever did was to divorce mine......

That's the ending of my book about my childhood and upbringing.... and there was never one reason on this Earth for any of it....

You've always been a gentleman IMO.

I'm sorry you suffered so terribly.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

It's a story of survival and victory.

Hush - it's not so bad - I've come out of it a gentle man - if not a gentleman... with an urge to save Australia from itself....

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Reply #451 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:01am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Why ask me ~ unless you are beavering for personal information?

what personal information you farkin simpleton, its a simple yes or no answer.

Don't worry, your refusal to answer has already provided the answer I'm looking for.

LOL- couldn't resist- Aussie just answer the bleedin' question twat.

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Reply #452 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:20am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

I think we need to carefully differentiate here between women genuinely escaping violence and women simply becoming homeless for any number of reasons. Often placing all of these in the same basket confuses the figures - as does adding children with women in all cases thus inflating the figures of violence when it does occur - and perhaps that is why there is this apparently rigid case management system.

Those deemed to be in a low level of danger are moved into alternative accommodation.

The housing system is clogged everywhere.

I note there is not a single men's refuge from violence.

There are. Very few though.

What would be the value of a SECRET refuge? You sound like you are describing ASIO safe houses. Most refuges are well known and have priority access to police.

Value? Safety.

It's protocol here in NSW.

Not any more. Premier Baird changed battered wifes’ refuges into homeless shelters. So no safe place for women fleeing DV any more. NSW also has this evil policy “Going Home and Staying Home.” Positively Dickensian.

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Reply #453 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 6:43am

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by alcohol and drugs.

No woman in her right mind would initiate violence if she knows she will get her head kicked in for it.

Violent men are like time bombs just waiting to explode.

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Reply #455 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 7:33am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Couple of things there. I, and not one Member of any of my Family, extended as much as you like ever, experienced domestic violence. Why did I miss out on this marvel. Was it sheer luck? I reckon not. I reckon it was all to do with having basic values and mixing with people who also had the same basic values.

"It did untold damage to the kids, and she still took him back

oh is this another aussie thread... Roll Eyes

you do realise some women are driven into the ground and have no self esteem enough to get out....thats why we are talking about this topic[or trying too]... and not the life and times of aussie..

I agree it has SFA to do with me personally. I have never been touched by it. How about you consider ....... why? Where do people get their lack of self esteem from?

I am the result of FAMILY violence, and therefore I trump you all, and yet I see no virtue in demonising and criminalising ONE component of 'family' to attain some mythical savage 'empowerment' of the other.

My mother stabbed me once and abandoned us all..our father neglected us nigh unto death (I nearly died of double pneumonia at 14, and NONE of We Four had shoes for school, books and even warm blankets and clothes for winter - my sister after myself and I between us had THE two highest IQs in our school - yet have struggled for a basic existence), and intermittently beat my brother (who eventually died as a result of his schizophrenia and paranoia derived from his upbringing) and I, while neglecting our two sisters to the point that they have no self esteem and no moral and social compasses, and no idea of what a REAL MAN was.

None of you can tell me about Family Violence and neglect and abuse.... and yet - I will say again - my children NEVER were beaten, neglected, abused, or left in any way without anything, and both earned scholarships to a private secondary college.

No person, in any situation or from any background, can justify abuse and neglect or violence towards family and their very own ... family is all we have.. and the best thing I ever did was to divorce mine......

That's the ending of my book about my childhood and upbringing.... and there was never one reason on this Earth for any of it....

on ya grap for sharing that..

as you say SELF ESTEEM goes out the door....

and its no one persons fault..we have to stop the blame game and find the cure solve what is going on to think your childhood is still being repeated day after day is shocking..

I ask myself what is it we want today????.....what do these people who inflict pain want from life???

what are we not supplying to them that they feel so unfulfilled they have to abuse those closest to them???

what are we missing??????>...

your family must have been really poor...no excuse I know but its what so many think is the root cause....

yet even the poorest seem to be inflicted with materialism our world is more unhealthy today than its ever been at least thats the way I view it....

more and more young people in America are killing their friends at schools .. they have an horrendous record.. a 15 yr old has a shoot out in front of a Police Station...he by all accounts was filled with HATE....

I think we are seriously missing something...

self esteem / understanding/respect..

.as for love I dont think many really know what real love is....surely it has nothing to do with pain and abuse.

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Reply #456 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 7:36am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:20am:

Not any more. Premier Baird changed battered wifes’ refuges into homeless shelters. So no safe place for women fleeing DV any more. NSW also has this evil policy “Going Home and Staying Home.” Positively Dickensian.

got the link to that monk?

Baird is very much a family man... sounds out of character to me.

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Reply #457 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 7:44am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by alcohol and drugs.

No woman in her right mind would initiate violence if she knows she will get her head kicked in for it.

Violent men are like time bombs just waiting to explode.

some women as has already been made a "joke "of only have to be late with the dinner and its enough to set them off.......women initiate the violence.. WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN... she doesnt want sex maybe??.. how dare she...ok I am being bitchy now...but what a thing to claim.......men have triggers and god protect anyone who sets one off... Roll Eyes

no dear we all have control switches.. look at your back and you will see a switch it has
high.
med..
normal
and low on it...

its connected to your brain

you are in control of that switch...

every week we see young louts ....men Roll Eyes

king hitting someone putting them in a coma....

for no reason..

what is your excuse for that??

oh thats right its the amount of alcohol they were forced to drink...Mr Alcohol made them do it.... Roll Eyes

excuses they dont do it for me.,. Angry

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Reply #458 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 11:36pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

bollocks.

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Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Domestically it is usually misunderstandings between couples and provocation's come from both sides- but you got it spot on with your assertion that some men cannot control their killer instinct when it comes to violence against women.

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Reply #460 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:57am

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

We can never be free anyway, it's an illusion. Though I tend to agree it's probably not possible to completely remove violence, it can certainly be reduced.

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Do you have some evidence to back up this assertion?

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Reply #461 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:58am

Agnes wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

bollocks.

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Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Domestically it is usually misunderstandings between couples and provocation's come from both sides- but you got it spot on with your assertion that some men cannot control their killer instinct when it comes to violence against women.

In which case they are dangerous, and probably shouldn't be allowed to just wander about until they learn some self control (yes, it is possible to teach people how to do this).

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Reply #462 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 8:05am

Kytro wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

Agnes wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Unfortunately, violence is a given in all societies. Without it, we can never be free.

bollocks.

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Domestically, I would say that violence is most often initiated by females.
Some men have not enough self control and they retaliate.

Domestically it is usually misunderstandings between couples and provocation's come from both sides- but you got it spot on with your assertion that some men cannot control their killer instinct when it comes to violence against women.

In which case they are dangerous, and probably shouldn't be allowed to just wander about until they learn some self control (yes, it is possible to teach people how to do this).

I would like to suggest and of course I dont have any stats on this one...

but most domestic violence is reported only after repeat offences....yes we know today a lot of people jump up and down and order avos..for the slightest upset. which is extreme....in some cases

I agree usually the angry female...

the courts need to order mediation in those cases before avos..we need to talk our problems out.. I mean really talk them out...even put in camera or audio.. so the perps can hear/see themselves......

we dont see our own faces when we dish out the screaming and yelling....we just try to be the loudest...and shout the other person into silence.....

we are all capable of very nasty behavior.....I mean would any women hold back if a rapist or mugger got her.... no she wouldnt.. she would fight back and be very ugly......we hope...its called self preservation.....

we have I believe extreme ANGER problems today...

no control

most of us wouldnt raise a hand let a lone a fist to another person.......we have inbuilt control thankfully..

and then we have the few

and the stats tell us they appear to be growing in numbers.. Angry

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Reply #463 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 11:40am

Actually my family was sort of middle class - my grandfather was the top man in his profession, my grandmother inherited well from her parents, who made their bones in pubs in the 1850's on... my father was number five on the seniority list in the Fire Brigade.. my mother's family include the likes of Garfield Barwick etc... we should have been well-cared for and had every opportunity in life - my two parents, in my eyes, were clinically insane - I know mum was schizophrenic to the max and dad drank way too much. Instead of prospering mightily, highest IQ in my A class etc - my first good pair of shoes cam from the Army at seventeen...

I have more concern for my two sisters than for myself - I'm tough... not rough - tough.

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Reply #464 - Oct 6^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

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who keeps taking it off topic.. you... its all about you and the fantasy world you live in.....you know sweet fanny adams about womens refuges...in fact they are not really called that anymore...its womens crisis accommodation....

Ya see, cods, this is where you come apart. Apart from basic stuff, you know nothing about me, including that I was very personally responsible for starting, setting up, and seeing into ongoing existence several Womens' Refuges.[high

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you seem more hell bent on telling everyone what power you have especially over female cab drivers..and what you claim you know..as fact

I have not made a single comment about female 'cab drivers.' What's up, cods?

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then..... HOUSTON we have a problem.. we need to talk about this problem.. not taxi drivers.

Indeed there is a problem, and there is nothing whatsoever new about it, and if you really want to help deal with the problem, can I suggest you cease posting stuff which attracts a need to self defend?

Do not believe anything this delusional online perpetrator states online.

You have been warned.

Re Aussie, he is, as you can see, very unwell.

Everyone who has read through this topic from day 1 can see Aussie's very agitated trolling of this topic, after closing down a similar topic in The Tavern for the same reason.

You will also see recurring attempts by Aussie in victim blaming, minimizing, trivializing and marginalizing DV issues.

Now...after 35 pages, Aussie has suddenly remembered he has set up and managed many refuges.Really guys..... Roll Eyes

The awkward reality however is this : He is a perpetrator, a failure, a liar and ....a cab driver.

And as such, he needs help. Lots of it.

Probably best to ignore, report, post over.

That way, we can all get on with the topic.

You know.....if Aussie is in any way STILL involved with some type of refuge in Qld....Lord help those vulnerable clients who are exposed to this online stalker.

They ought to be warned.

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