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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139608 Gender:	Re: Parramatta gunman was a 15 y/o terrorist Reply #345 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:08pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm: Greggy, Quote: Capital punishment doesn't deter others, though. It makes them think twice though. It doesn't deter them, though.
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Reply #347 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Greggy,
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Capital punishment doesn't deter others, though.

It makes them think twice though.

It doesn't deter them, though.

Dear Greggy,
I know you have a good heart full of forgiveness -
even for terrorists! -
but really - you're too soft.
It's because of softy's like you that the Muslims have us all in fear with no solutions.

Forget you trendy, leftist, progressive ideology - get tough -

harden up.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106996 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Parramatta gunman was a 15 y/o terrorist Reply #350 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:16pm 6 posts to flip the page!
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Reply #351 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

I think it is incredibly sad that two families are now left in mourning.

I think it is incredibly disturbing that a fifteen year old (regardless of race, religion or political view) managed to obtain a hand gun and murder, in cold blood, another individual.

I think it is part of the "contract" he signed in blood that others (Special Constables) shot back at him and, ultimately took his life too. I am not pleased about it, however, I am also not of the opinion that the special constables acted in error. Part of the deal with any sort of fight, your opponent might come back at you and, they might just be better at their art than you are at it...

I don't think this example undermines our existing gun safety laws.

I do think that we need a community driven effort to try to maintain the illusion of safety in our society. Make no mistake, safety is, at best, only an illusion.

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Reply #352 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:30am:

According to the Daily Telegraph, "THE gunman who shot dead a police staffer was a 15-year-old who had visited Parramatta Mosque on his way to commit murder." How would the reporter know the gunman had visited Parramatta Mosque on his way to commit murder? Either a Police Officer has gone to the mosque and asked if he was seen there recently by showing them a picture of the gunman (and told the reporter about this), or he was under surveillance. If he was under surveillance, it's highly likely it was ASIO agents following him and as far as I know, they don't have the authority to carry weapons. If this is indeed what happened, laws need to be changed so that surveillance teams have the training and the weapons to enable them to take action when necessary to protect the lives of civilians.

Did they advice him in the mosque not to do so?.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 4095 Gender:	Re: Parramatta gunman was a 15 y/o terrorist Reply #353 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:27pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm: Greggy, Quote: Capital punishment doesn't deter others, though. It makes them think twice though. not if they are indoctrinated.
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Reply #354 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Greggy,
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Capital punishment doesn't deter others, though.

It makes them think twice though.

It doesn't deter them, though.

how do you know that???

who comes forward and says i almost murdered someone then I thought oops...

there are just no stats on that one...

for all we know the penalties could have an outstanding affect on peoples choices...

how many live with the WHAT IFs.. or IF ONLYs

you use the expression THEM.. which of course no it didnt deter "THEM" we do know that.....some humans are devoid of any human traits to be honest.....the Ivan Milats of this world are thankfully few and far between but if we are looking for something that will prevent others following in his footsteps it wont happen...... however we do have to have penalties every behavior has a consequence... most are good but for those who snub society and its rules.. they know there is a price to pay......

I would like to see LIFE mean LIFE never to be released...we have phony laws and sentences today and it makes people lose faith in our system.... Angry

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Reply #355 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Christian teaching 101

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bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29.Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30.Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.…

Something for every Christian to think about. Even as a light Christian, when I see atrocities like these committed on TV, of course I will at first feel anger at the perpetrator, that is a normal human emotional response. However, if one think a bit deeper, it is actually a great tragedy not only for Curtis Cheng, but also for that child as well. A life, wasted, so young, and for what? We need to get justice for both Curtis and the boy, that is to capture, find out and expose the faceless men behind the indoctrination.

It is a tragedy for everyone involved. How to stop it is the real issue.

thats where people differ in opinion. Some people believe that we should drive a wedge into our own community, by shutting down mosques, and alienate those who are not involved but of the same faith. And then at the same time, continue with bombing that contribute to regional instability - read Iraq and Iran situation.

Well, I say, the above is not going to work. Why do terrorist carry out these attacks? Because, they want to create fear, so that we will turn against each other. And then, they will have more recruits to further their agenda. They also want us to continue bomb more. Thereby creating 1) a power vaccuum / lawlessness, and 2) more local recruits with relatives of collateral damage. And that would also strengthen their hold. I say, dont give into what these terrorist want. Its time to call for unity rather than division. Otherwise, we will be basically fighting a losing battle.

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Reply #356 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:47pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

I think it is incredibly sad that two families are now left in mourning.

I think it is incredibly disturbing that a fifteen year old (regardless of race, religion or political view) managed to obtain a hand gun and murder, in cold blood, another individual.

The 2 families I feel sympathy for are the family of Curtis Cheng and the family of the Policeman who shot this killer, I hope the cop never feels remorse for what he has done.

Pistols were registered since 1924 so the gun this kid had did not come from something that wasn't handed in back in 1996, all pre 1996 pistols are accounted for.

There is no evidence the sawn off shotgun Monis used in the Lindt siege was a firearm that wasn't handed in back in 1996, the manufacturer of that shotgun said it was not legally imported into Australia or the USA.

The Victorian police said they are picking up illegal guns every second day, it appears to be similar in NSW.

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Reply #357 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:54pm

issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 8:34am:

If this report is accurate, it vindicates those who oppose Muzzlim immigration. Viewing this murder as inspired by Islam, Mohamed and the Koran cannot be dismissed as Islamophobia.

Extremists are a very small proportion oh adherents. Hardly a big enough threat to alter immigration policy over

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Reply #358 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 1:31pm

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Greggy,
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Capital punishment doesn't deter others, though.

It makes them think twice though.

It doesn't deter them, though.

how do you know that???

"The claim: Victorian Supreme Court judge Lex Lasry says the death penalty does not deter crime, "it's just a terrible thing to do".

"The verdict: There is scant research on whether the death penalty deters drug trafficking. Experts who have considered the issue of the death penalty as a punishment for murder, and in some cases drug offences, around the world, say there is not enough evidence to conclude that the death penalty deters."

"Justice Lasry's claim that it has no real deterrent value is well founded."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-26/fact-check3a-does-the-death-penalty-deter3...

"A recent survey of the most leading criminologists in the country from found that the overwhelming majority did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide. Eighty-eight percent of the country’s top criminologists do not believe the death penalty acts as a deterrent to homicide, according to a new study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology and authored by Professor Michael Radelet, Chair of the Department of Sociology at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and Traci Lacock, also at Boulder."

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Parramatta gunman was a 15 y/o terrorist Reply #359 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 1:44pm The death of Man Monis didn't deter the latest crazy
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