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Reply #105 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:23am

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wrong, if those parents wanted to relieve the taxpayer, they wouldn't ask the govt. to subsidise their decision. Not everyone in private education will go to the public system. People like you and Maria would never dare let your kids mingle with the common folk.

The government have a duty to provide funding for every child not just some.

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Reply #106 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:32am

The negative limiting beliefs of the lefties are certainly a good reason to keep your children out of the public school mix.

spartacus thinks there is something terrible about wanting to be elite.

Jonathon Thurston is elite
Adam Scott is elite.
Roger Fedderer is elite.

There is nothing wrong with aiming to be elite.
There would appear to be something wrong with aiming to be mediocre though Wink

How pitiful

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Reply #108 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:37am

Steampipe wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

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wrong, if those parents wanted to relieve the taxpayer, they wouldn't ask the govt. to subsidise their decision. Not everyone in private education will go to the public system. People like you and Maria would never dare let your kids mingle with the common folk.

The government have a duty to provide funding for every child not just some.

Yes thats why we have a public school system. If you choose not to avail yourself of that, its your choice but then you should pay for it.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #110 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

I quite liked the analogy in one of Phils links ....

the govt. should subsidise my car expenses because it's cheaper than having to provide me with public transport.

Scoot, you are doing the same crap Swag does with his claims on penalty rates, you claim it saves money but haven't provided evidence of it.

DO you think if the govt. stopped subsidising private schools they will cease to exist? If so, So much for your claim that they provide a better education Cheesy

God you're full of $hit sometimes.

If one of your kids obtained a scholarship to attend a good private school.....would you refuse it? Yes or no?

Be careful how you answer....otherwise a certain psychiatrist who quickly popped in last night over at PA might be needed. Roll Eyes

Same question applies to Sparty.

Im not sure what that question has to do with anything but I can tell you that the scholarship would have no lour for me whatsoever and as a matter of principle I would decline it confident in the knowledge that I have as good a chance of securing my child a good education in the public school as they would get in the private school. The other downside of course is that if we accepted the scholarship my kids would probably turn into spoon fed unthinking, simple minded elitists who I would probably not wish to associate with, and my kids are far more important to me then that.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #111 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:00am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

The negative limiting beliefs of the lefties are certainly a good reason to keep your children out of the public school mix.

spartacus thinks there is something terrible about wanting to be elite.

Jonathon Thurston is elite
Adam Scott is elite.
Roger Fedderer is elite.

There is nothing wrong with aiming to be elite.
There would appear to be something wrong with aiming to be mediocre though Wink

How pitiful

I think, like your horses, your very hung up about elites and hierarchy. It's a very primitive way of looking at things and at life. If science is teaching us anything its that everything has value in its different way and that no one thing is truly more valuable then the other because we are all interrelated and interdependent. You look at the world in your backward way, like your horses, because its easier to see life in black and white and because your primal impulses are overcome by the glitter of fame and wealth and as a consequence you overlook most of the value of life.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #112 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

I quite liked the analogy in one of Phils links ....

the govt. should subsidise my car expenses because it's cheaper than having to provide me with public transport.

Scoot, you are doing the same crap Swag does with his claims on penalty rates, you claim it saves money but haven't provided evidence of it.

DO you think if the govt. stopped subsidising private schools they will cease to exist? If so, So much for your claim that they provide a better education Cheesy

God you're full of $hit sometimes.

If one of your kids obtained a scholarship to attend a good private school.....would you refuse it? Yes or no?

Be careful how you answer....otherwise a certain psychiatrist who quickly popped in last night over at PA might be needed. Roll Eyes

Same question applies to Sparty.

Neither poster can answer such a simple question.

Wonder why?

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #113 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:02am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

I quite liked the analogy in one of Phils links ....

the govt. should subsidise my car expenses because it's cheaper than having to provide me with public transport.

Scoot, you are doing the same crap Swag does with his claims on penalty rates, you claim it saves money but haven't provided evidence of it.

DO you think if the govt. stopped subsidising private schools they will cease to exist? If so, So much for your claim that they provide a better education Cheesy

John, education is compulsory.
parents of private school children make a significant contribution to relieve the burden on the taxpayer.
If they chose to avail themselves of the public system, then the taxpayer would have to pick up this additional burden.

A better analogy is someone who rents privately and gets $40 a week rent assistance as opposed to someone who is in public housing and gets their house at a cost to the taxpayer that might be 3 or 4 times this.

the private renter is not bludging on the system . they are saving the system a fortune.

And it is the same for the wonderful people who send their children to private schools and make a financial contribution to assist the taxpayer. Simply marvellous australians. and a lot of them do it with great personal self sacrifice, giving up the foxtel and pokies and alcohol and smokes which the parents of public school students see as more of a priority.
How pitiful Wink

Total cr@p. They dont make a contribution, rather the opposite. They drain public funds and redirect them to pay for their private costs.

You are not getting the point. The government has two educational options: pay $11,000pa to a public student or $8,000 to a private student. Now on what planet is that COSTING the government money? Because if they withdrew the private funding the majority of private students would revert to public and cost more. Why do you think left-wingers like Gillard didn't get rid of this funding? Because despite her ideology, the system SAVES $10B-12B a year to the government.

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Reply #114 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:12am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

I quite liked the analogy in one of Phils links ....

the govt. should subsidise my car expenses because it's cheaper than having to provide me with public transport.

Scoot, you are doing the same crap Swag does with his claims on penalty rates, you claim it saves money but haven't provided evidence of it.

DO you think if the govt. stopped subsidising private schools they will cease to exist? If so, So much for your claim that they provide a better education Cheesy

God you're full of $hit sometimes.

If one of your kids obtained a scholarship to attend a good private school.....would you refuse it? Yes or no?

Be careful how you answer....otherwise a certain psychiatrist who quickly popped in last night over at PA might be needed. Roll Eyes

Same question applies to Sparty.

If it was a good school that I liked, of course I would. What has a scholarship got to do with it?

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #115 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:14am

Steampipe wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

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wrong, if those parents wanted to relieve the taxpayer, they wouldn't ask the govt. to subsidise their decision. Not everyone in private education will go to the public system. People like you and Maria would never dare let your kids mingle with the common folk.

The government have a duty to provide funding for every child not just some.

no, the govt. has a duty to provide a basic service. It is up to you to chose to use it or use a different one.

We are virtually the only developed country that funds private schools.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #116 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:16am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

The negative limiting beliefs of the lefties are certainly a good reason to keep your children out of the public school mix.

spartacus thinks there is something terrible about wanting to be elite.

Jonathon Thurston is elite
Adam Scott is elite.
Roger Fedderer is elite.

There is nothing wrong with aiming to be elite.
There would appear to be something wrong with aiming to be mediocre though Wink

How pitiful

who said there was anything wrong with aiming to be elite? Jonathon Thurston doesn't receive govt. fund, neither does Fedderer nor Scott. You want to be elite, you fund it.

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Reply #117 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Because if they withdrew the private funding the majority of private students would revert to public and cost more

making crap up again? The UK doesn't fund private schools and their private schools are full. The USA doesn't fund theirs either and they have waiting lists . You cannot argue that it will cost more until you can show the majority will switch. I don't believe they will, people like you and scoot would never send your kids with the commoners. You know the saying, a fool and their money .... and there is no shortage of fools, as you keep proving with just about every post.

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Reply #118 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:37am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Because if they withdrew the private funding the majority of private students would revert to public and cost more

making crap up again? The UK doesn't fund private schools and their private schools are full. The USA doesn't fund theirs either and they have waiting lists . You cannot argue that it will cost more until you can show the majority will switch. I don't believe they will, people like you and scoot would never send your kids with the commoners. You know the saying, a fool and their money .... and there is no shortage of fools, as you keep proving with just about every post.

The vast number of private schools in Australia are low-fee ones ie paying $2000-$3000 per student. The parents are not wealthy. But if you remove government funding and that suddenly becomes $10,000 - $11,000 per student the majority would have no choice but to return to the public system where the government will be out of pocket $3K for each kid.

You maintain ideology, but the government sees it as a way of saving money and a very good one at that.

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Reply #119 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:48am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Because if they withdrew the private funding the majority of private students would revert to public and cost more

making crap up again? The UK doesn't fund private schools and their private schools are full. The USA doesn't fund theirs either and they have waiting lists . You cannot argue that it will cost more until you can show the majority will switch. I don't believe they will, people like you and scoot would never send your kids with the commoners. You know the saying, a fool and their money .... and there is no shortage of fools, as you keep proving with just about every post.

The vast number of private schools in Australia are low-fee ones ie paying $2000-$3000 per student. The parents are not wealthy. But if you remove government funding and that suddenly becomes $10,000 - $11,000 per student the majority would have no choice but to return to the public system where the government will be out of pocket $3K for each kid.

You maintain ideology, but the government sees it as a way of saving money and a very good one at that.

Thought the figures would be higher than that Maria.

But yeah...the private school system does help out. Just look at the equation in terms of their portion in provision of infrastructure alone.

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