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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #135 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:11pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:08pm: but it is what everybody expects from you, Longy, abuse but no proof. she used to write reports you know
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #137 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:15pm Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:11pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:08pm: but it is what everybody expects from you, Longy, abuse but no proof. she used to write reports you know
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #138 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:29pm Another good topic trashed. Thanks Monk. You too John
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #139 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:43pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:29pm: Another good topic trashed. Thanks Monk. You too John why is it so hard for any of your retards to post some sort of evidence?
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Reply #140 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

Just did a check. My Year of graduation from a public high school produced a diplomat, 3 geologists, a pilot, an architect, an internationally acknowledged IT guru, five engineers, a school principal, a surveyor, a pharmacist, two magistrates, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, two accountants, a criminologist, a paediatrician and two lawyers.

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Reply #141 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Because if they withdrew the private funding the majority of private students would revert to public and cost more

making crap up again? The UK doesn't fund private schools and their private schools are full. The USA doesn't fund theirs either and they have waiting lists . You cannot argue that it will cost more until you can show the majority will switch. I don't believe they will, people like you and scoot would never send your kids with the commoners. You know the saying, a fool and their money .... and there is no shortage of fools, as you keep proving with just about every post.

The vast number of private schools in Australia are low-fee ones ie paying $2000-$3000 per student. The parents are not wealthy. But if you remove government funding and that suddenly becomes $10,000 - $11,000 per student the majority would have no choice but to return to the public system where the government will be out of pocket $3K for each kid.

You maintain ideology, but the government sees it as a way of saving money and a very good one at that.

Thought the figures would be higher than that Maria.

But yeah...the private school system does help out. Just look at the equation in terms of their portion in provision of infrastructure alone.

The Catholic and Christian private schools are almost all low-fee. Whenever the subject comes up the media and other commentators focus on the handful of truly elite an very-expensive schools while ignoring the vast number of others.

The opposition to private schools is based on envy or ideology, never on outcomes or pragmatism.

I know. Just look at this topic for example.

BTW, whilst here....I hope you weren't in any way offended by my posts to you in the Domestic Violence topic. I quite enjoy reading your stuff online. Ok?

Nah not at all! In fact, I enjoyed it! I love debating with strong intelligent and articulate people who wont take my word for it and know WHY they believe what they believe. Bring on more of it!

My trigger points are fools and simpletons... Lots to choose from around here!

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Reply #142 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Just did a check. My Year of graduation from a public high school produced a diplomat, 3 geologists, a pilot, an architect, an internationally acknowledged IT guru, five engineers, a school principal, a surveyor, a pharmacist, two magistrates, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, two accountants, a criminologist, a paediatrician and two lawyers.

Your point is what? When you graduated there were virtually no private schools other than the extremely elite ones.

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Reply #143 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Private schooling does not offer that much in lasting benefits.

Does that Brisbane school pay tax on its earnings?

How would you know? You never went, you never had kids and your record for accuracy is abysmal. Plus 'benefits' are not the issue.

Of course benefits are an issue, else why pay for private schooling?

I asked if that school paid tax, be a fair whack due on $30m! Or is a church school and so exempted from paying tax?

I have proved everything I have posited, very much unlike you. Cheap shot on my childlessness, but it is what everybody expects from you, Longy, abuse but no proof.

A) $30M is REVENUE, not profits. Businesses pay tax on PROFITS.
B) The benefits in a private education are many, but you would accept few and not understand the rest.

You seem to struggle with big numbers and forget the 1500 pupils in a school like that. Or perhaps you have such a poverty mindset that you do not relate to large amounts of money.

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Reply #144 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Just did a check. My Year of graduation from a public high school produced a diplomat, 3 geologists, a pilot, an architect, an internationally acknowledged IT guru, five engineers, a school principal, a surveyor, a pharmacist, two magistrates, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, two accountants, a criminologist, a paediatrician and two lawyers.

Your point is what? When you graduated there were virtually no private schools other than the extremely elite ones.

My point is that a public school is capable of providing an excellent education, as is indicated in that list of eventual careers. And you are quite wrong ~ all the well known private schools of today existed then.

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Reply #145 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Just did a check. My Year of graduation from a public high school produced a diplomat, 3 geologists, a pilot, an architect, an internationally acknowledged IT guru, five engineers, a school principal, a surveyor, a pharmacist, two magistrates, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, two accountants, a criminologist, a paediatrician and two lawyers.

Your point is what? When you graduated there were virtually no private schools other than the extremely elite ones.

No, so why was I in a private primary school? Took me a few weeks in HS to catch up to kids coming from a public primary school.

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Reply #146 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Private schooling does not offer that much in lasting benefits.

Does that Brisbane school pay tax on its earnings?

How would you know? You never went, you never had kids and your record for accuracy is abysmal. Plus 'benefits' are not the issue.

Of course benefits are an issue, else why pay for private schooling?

I asked if that school paid tax, be a fair whack due on $30m! Or is a church school and so exempted from paying tax?

I have proved everything I have posited, very much unlike you. Cheap shot on my childlessness, but it is what everybody expects from you, Longy, abuse but no proof.

A) $30M is REVENUE, not profits. Businesses pay tax on PROFITS.
B) The benefits in a private education are many, but you would accept few and not understand the rest.

You seem to struggle with big numbers and forget the 1500 pupils in a school like that. Or perhaps you have such a poverty mindset that you do not relate to large amounts of money.

Yeah, I ran my own businesses for 25 years, but on $30m revenue there would be a fair whack of profit that should be taxed.

As to private school education, there are few real benefits, for the real prestige schools the old school tie might be of use to some but apart from that it is a lot of dollars for not that much better education than a good public school—and a public school doesn’t coach you, you have to work to pass exams etc.

You like slinging off at me but when it comes to a detailed argument you run away like a little girl.

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Reply #147 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Just did a check. My Year of graduation from a public high school produced a diplomat, 3 geologists, a pilot, an architect, an internationally acknowledged IT guru, five engineers, a school principal, a surveyor, a pharmacist, two magistrates, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, two accountants, a criminologist, a paediatrician and two lawyers.

Your point is what? When you graduated there were virtually no private schools other than the extremely elite ones.

My point is that a public school is capable of providing an excellent education, as is indicated in that list of eventual careers. And you are quite wrong ~ all the well known private schools of today existed then.

Most private schools are relatively recent inventions. What year did you complete high school?

BTW look at a list of MPs, Judges, Magistrates, CEOs etc and see how many had private educations. Would you like to name the internationally acknowledged IT guru as well as the two magistrates? They are public names now. So yes, I am calling you on your claim which while possible, sounds deeply suspicious from just one year.

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Reply #148 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:45pm

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Most private schools are relatively recent inventions. What year did you complete high school?

I'm not saying. There are way too many real life stalkers who love getting as much info as they can. Late 60s is as close as I'll say.

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BTW look at a list of MPs, Judges, Magistrates, CEOs etc and see how many had private educations.

I'm not sure what you are asserting there. Are you saying the majority had private schooling?

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Would you like to name the internationally acknowledged IT guru as well as the two magistrates? They are public names now. So yes, I am calling you on your claim which while possible, sounds deeply suspicious from just one year.

If I name them, those same stalkers get a little closer to my real ID. It was a good year, I'll concede that.

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Reply #149 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Private schooling does not offer that much in lasting benefits.

Does that Brisbane school pay tax on its earnings?

How would you know? You never went, you never had kids and your record for accuracy is abysmal. Plus 'benefits' are not the issue.

Of course benefits are an issue, else why pay for private schooling?

I asked if that school paid tax, be a fair whack due on $30m! Or is a church school and so exempted from paying tax?

I have proved everything I have posited, very much unlike you. Cheap shot on my childlessness, but it is what everybody expects from you, Longy, abuse but no proof.

A) $30M is REVENUE, not profits. Businesses pay tax on PROFITS.
B) The benefits in a private education are many, but you would accept few and not understand the rest.

You seem to struggle with big numbers and forget the 1500 pupils in a school like that. Or perhaps you have such a poverty mindset that you do not relate to large amounts of money.

Yeah, I ran my own businesses for 25 years, but on $30m revenue there would be a fair whack of profit that should be taxed.

As to private school education, there are few real benefits, for the real prestige schools the old school tie might be of use to some but apart from that it is a lot of dollars for not that much better education than a good public school—and a public school doesn’t coach you, you have to work to pass exams etc.

You like slinging off at me but when it comes to a detailed argument you run away like a little girl.

You ran a lawn-mowing round. Not something to compare to a business with $30M in revenue. You seem utterly incapable of absorbing those size numbers and understanding that a business with $30M revenue might actually spend all $30M. It is a school with massive expenses and building programs.

A third of kids go to private schools. Perhaps the parents know something you don't. In fact, that is axiomatic.

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