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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #255 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:58am http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/most-radicalised-australian-teenagers-attended-public-schools/ar-AAfjv1R?ocid=spartandhp Well we finally found a UNIQUE subject found only in public schools.
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #256 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12am you do realise that only a small percentage of those in the school system actually do Physics or Chemistry, right? They're electives after all.
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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #257 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:20am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53am: Wow....you're scratchy today maria.....is it PMT or 'the change', dear? mental health problems as a result of transgender reassignment
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Reply #258 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 10:35am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

you do realise that only a small percentage of those in the school system actually do Physics or Chemistry, right? Cheesy

They're electives after all.

Not a small percentage at all. And if you think that is true it explains why you have such a poor understanding of well... pretty much everything.

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Reply #259 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:02am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 4:54am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

Maria won't like that will she?

wait until she learns that I went to a catholic school Grin

Every single person I know who is aged 30 onwards and who's gone to a Catholic high school, has come out of that system damaged in some way, shape or form.

Every single poor bastard.

How many do you know? How many do you know who went elsewhere? How do you define damaged? How many people do you know 30+ who are NOT damaged in some way, shape or form?

Crikey, I never kept stats.

Since age 18, from uni onwards...I kept noticing this awful recurring trend.

Even NOW....I'm still noticing it.

Re damage....emotional, physical, sexual issues.

For whatever reason, that system produces insecure kids.

Oh, one final point, as a long term high school maths coach, around 80% of my students were from the Catholic high school system.

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Reply #260 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:13am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:39pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:

Public/private? I think it's the home life/family support and encouragement that make the difference not the price of the schooling.

Exactly right. It's all about what happens at home.

I'd also add one of my things was not so much "peer socialisation" whence my home schooling in later high school. They associated with adults more than peers. Role models rather than me toos. Our friends were theirs and they sat at the table with us.

Hard work home schooling through the upper years Setanta. My hat is off to you.

It's a big, loving commitment at any age but the upper years present a huge challenge. How did you cover the different electives?

My old trade, friends trades and their old trades. Friends willing to help.

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Wow....you're scratchy today maria.....is it PMT or 'the change', dear?

Do you know what 'Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics' are or did you education mainly cover needlepoint and cooking?

You don't ask your friend the Plumber to teach your kids Maxwell's Laws or explain exothermic reactions and Integral Calculus.

Yeah, I read that and had a bit of a chuckle Maria.

When I went through my HSC, I completed 2 units of Physics, 2 units of Chemistry and 4 units of Maths..amongst other subjects.

2 observations :

1. Our classes were full.

2. The teachers responsible for these subjects weren't straight out of uni. They were always experienced Head Teachers.

Fast forward to today...my teenage twins who are at uni atm ... well they didn't do any science at all.

They did however do maths. And they did well. I made sure they did lol Tongue

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Reply #261 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:15am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

People with Master's Degrees need to apply for a pension now? Wow - something failing badly in the education and employment systems.........

Now Longy - he was studying for a Ph.D in mathematics.. that explained his brilliant ripostes to any suggestion that LNP mathematics was flawed or biased.. or simply spin...... he could do that by name-calling and flubbing along about how the other party could not understand - he's that good!

I believe he was also going to be applying for an aged pension.... education is not all it seems..... it seems..... Shocked

AS you do so often, this statement is confused and pointless. A Master's Degree does not come with a bucket of money for life or did you not know that?

That's because practically everyone has one these days.

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Reply #262 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

People with Master's Degrees need to apply for a pension now? Wow - something failing badly in the education and employment systems.........

Now Longy - he was studying for a Ph.D in mathematics.. that explained his brilliant ripostes to any suggestion that LNP mathematics was flawed or biased.. or simply spin...... he could do that by name-calling and flubbing along about how the other party could not understand - he's that good!

I believe he was also going to be applying for an aged pension.... education is not all it seems..... it seems..... Shocked

AS you do so often, this statement is confused and pointless. A Master's Degree does not come with a bucket of money for life or did you not know that?

That's because practically everyone has one these days.

Grappler tends to conflate two disparate issues and presume a connection that does not exist. His mind not only goes off on tangents, but some of those tangents are in other universes.

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Reply #263 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:45am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

People with Master's Degrees need to apply for a pension now? Wow - something failing badly in the education and employment systems.........

Now Longy - he was studying for a Ph.D in mathematics.. that explained his brilliant ripostes to any suggestion that LNP mathematics was flawed or biased.. or simply spin...... he could do that by name-calling and flubbing along about how the other party could not understand - he's that good!

I believe he was also going to be applying for an aged pension.... education is not all it seems..... it seems..... Shocked

AS you do so often, this statement is confused and pointless. A Master's Degree does not come with a bucket of money for life or did you not know that?

That's because practically everyone has one these days.

Depends on how practical the subject matter is?

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Reply #264 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 4:54am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

Maria won't like that will she?

wait until she learns that I went to a catholic school Grin

Every single person I know who is aged 30 onwards and who's gone to a Catholic high school, has come out of that system damaged in some way, shape or form.

Every single poor bastard.

How many do you know? How many do you know who went elsewhere? How do you define damaged? How many people do you know 30+ who are NOT damaged in some way, shape or form?

Crikey, I never kept stats.

Since age 18, from uni onwards...I kept noticing this awful recurring trend.

Even NOW....I'm still noticing it.

Re damage....emotional, physical, sexual issues.

For whatever reason, that system produces insecure kids.

Oh, one final point, as a long term high school maths coach, around 80% of my students were from the Catholic high school system.

I can be a critic of the Catholic System as much as anyone, but there are an awful lot of very high acheivers who came from there. I have worked with people from all walks of life and education throughout the decades and I find much the same as you with a lot of people with multiple issues, but I strongly suspect that is the human condition other than the catholic student condition.

Ultimately, the success or failure of any child depends on a myriad of factors, many of which are under no one's control. Good solid parenting is of course the number one component and strongly followed by good schooling. Ultimately, good schooling devolves to good teachers. There have been some teachers who are beyond amazing and who have turned nobodies into somebodies, taken the challenged and made them proud and capable and taken the bright and turned them into incandescent stars. Likewise, there are teachers who have crushed the sensitive, maligned the creative and destroyed the intellect of a Dirac or Mozart.

Good outcomes are dependent on so many variables that no child really gets to adulthood without a degree of brokenness, upset and failure.

The system is less important than the people involved. The best school in the world with an evil of malevolent teacher will destroy kids while a bare classroom in a paddock with the best teacher will do better.

But put the best teachers in the best schools and the outcomes can become stellar. For most, that is the goal of private schools including the Catholic system.

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Reply #265 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:07pm

Traditions of the Private Schools?

Discipline, Buggary, and the Cash!

Interesting how my predictions of the over-emphasis on 'education' as the yardstick for preference in jobs etc, as opposed to the simple ability to get the job done, has lead us to countless over-educated fools out there with insufficient experience and ability to get a job.

I contrast that with my personal income from the 1990's, when I was earning a minimum $100k at the value of those times, and should have been paid more but didn't claim it all.

I had some tertiary education, but knew how to do things, you see.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85400 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #266 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:10pm for instance - I know how to best kick a page along, providing, unlike the Abbott Government, entertainment while things are going downhill
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85400 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #267 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:11pm well, I thought I did, but that page turner is a recalcitrant
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85400 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #268 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:13pm here's Longy having a roll at the pole - he's that good! (not that there's anything wrong with that)...
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Reply #269 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:39pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:

Public/private? I think it's the home life/family support and encouragement that make the difference not the price of the schooling.

Exactly right. It's all about what happens at home.

I'd also add one of my things was not so much "peer socialisation" whence my home schooling in later high school. They associated with adults more than peers. Role models rather than me toos. Our friends were theirs and they sat at the table with us.

Hard work home schooling through the upper years Setanta. My hat is off to you.

It's a big, loving commitment at any age but the upper years present a huge challenge. How did you cover the different electives?

My old trade, friends trades and their old trades. Friends willing to help.

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Wow....you're scratchy today maria.....is it PMT or 'the change', dear?

Do you know what 'Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics' are or did you education mainly cover needlepoint and cooking?

You don't ask your friend the Plumber to teach your kids Maxwell's Laws or explain exothermic reactions and Integral Calculus.

You clearly don’t have children. They haven’t taught these things in schools since 1963.

You have a nice rest, Maria. You’ve had a hard life, dear.

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