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Reply #285 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

A bit OT, but after I graduated Leaving Honors from Marion HS in 65 the Leaving/Leaving Honors system was abolished. I think that was a huge mistake.

So you ended your high school in year 11?

Year 12, Leaving Honors, sweet cheeks, did you leave without getting your Intermediate certificate, you argue like you did.

Intermediate was year 10. Leaving was year 11. Matriculation was year 12. Most of us went to High school long past when the first two were still a 'thing'.

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Reply #286 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.

Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough, why do we even employ teachers? Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #287 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:18pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

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Do you really think schools don't offer science and maths any more? And I don't know if they were EVER mandatory subjects in upper high school. Other than English I am unaware of them ever being mandatory.

True, you don't know but that dose not stop you from dumb arse making assertions of fact. I'll tell you a fact. Back in my day, what was then called Maths 1 and Maths 11 were mandatory in years 11 and 12, as was physics and chemistry ~ as was English. The only elective involved a choice between German, French or Technical Drawing (which was a thing basically about design drafting.)

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It seems rather astonishing when discussing topics like this to realise that perhaps very few of you went through high school which is why you are all so astonishingly ignorant of some things relating to education.

Have a look in here.

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/8378396/8378396/Concert-Framed-Mirror-wit...

What century did you go to school? it certainly wasn't this or the last one. Or I am guessing you went to school in Queensland where 20th century teaching methods were yet to arrive.

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Reply #289 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.

Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough,* why do we even employ teachers? Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.

Prickly because of a supercilious judgemental attitude? Who would have thunk.

*So their friends can use them to educate their kids. Did they need to spend 4-5 hours a week with him? I'm sure you're psychic.

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Reply #290 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:54pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

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Do you really think schools don't offer science and maths any more? And I don't know if they were EVER mandatory subjects in upper high school. Other than English I am unaware of them ever being mandatory.

True, you don't know but that dose not stop you from dumb arse making assertions of fact. I'll tell you a fact. Back in my day, what was then called Maths 1 and Maths 11 were mandatory in years 11 and 12, as was physics and chemistry ~ as was English. The only elective involved a choice between German, French or Technical Drawing (which was a thing basically about design drafting.)

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It seems rather astonishing when discussing topics like this to realise that perhaps very few of you went through high school which is why you are all so astonishingly ignorant of some things relating to education.

Have a look in here.

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/8378396/8378396/Concert-Framed-Mirror-wit...

What century did you go to school? it certainly wasn't this or the last one. Or I am guessing you went to school in Queensland where 20th century teaching methods were yet to arrive.

Yeas, in Queensland, and I've already posted the list of what (some of) my Year 12 matriculating cohort even eventually became. That list did not suit your agenda so you had to resort to.....ummm....what is it........adhominem something or other?

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Reply #291 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

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Do you really think schools don't offer science and maths any more? And I don't know if they were EVER mandatory subjects in upper high school. Other than English I am unaware of them ever being mandatory.

True, you don't know but that dose not stop you from dumb arse making assertions of fact. I'll tell you a fact. Back in my day, what was then called Maths 1 and Maths 11 were mandatory in years 11 and 12, as was physics and chemistry ~ as was English. The only elective involved a choice between German, French or Technical Drawing (which was a thing basically about design drafting.)

Quote:

It seems rather astonishing when discussing topics like this to realise that perhaps very few of you went through high school which is why you are all so astonishingly ignorant of some things relating to education.

Have a look in here.

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/8378396/8378396/Concert-Framed-Mirror-wit...

What century did you go to school? it certainly wasn't this or the last one. Or I am guessing you went to school in Queensland where 20th century teaching methods were yet to arrive.

Yeas, in Queensland, and I've already posted the list of what (some of) my Year 12 matriculating cohort even eventually became. That list did not suit your agenda so you had to resort to.....ummm....what is it........adhominem something or other?

And completely without proof and not even willing to state the YEAR of this supposed genius class.

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Reply #292 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.

Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough,* why do we even employ teachers? Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.

Prickly because of a supercilious judgemental attitude? Who would have thunk.

*So their friends can use them to educate their kids. Did they need to spend 4-5 hours a week with him? I'm sure you're psychic.

Homeschoolers.... Heard it all before and seen some of the messes.

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Reply #293 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:20pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.

Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough,* why do we even employ teachers? Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.

Prickly because of a supercilious judgemental attitude? Who would have thunk.

*So their friends can use them to educate their kids. Did they need to spend 4-5 hours a week with him? I'm sure you're psychic.

Homeschoolers.... Heard it all before and seen *some of the messes.

Your unfounded disdain is duly noted. *Same for any schooling.

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Reply #294 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

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Do you really think schools don't offer science and maths any more? And I don't know if they were EVER mandatory subjects in upper high school. Other than English I am unaware of them ever being mandatory.

True, you don't know but that dose not stop you from dumb arse making assertions of fact. I'll tell you a fact. Back in my day, what was then called Maths 1 and Maths 11 were mandatory in years 11 and 12, as was physics and chemistry ~ as was English. The only elective involved a choice between German, French or Technical Drawing (which was a thing basically about design drafting.)

Quote:

It seems rather astonishing when discussing topics like this to realise that perhaps very few of you went through high school which is why you are all so astonishingly ignorant of some things relating to education.

Have a look in here.

http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/8378396/8378396/Concert-Framed-Mirror-wit...

What century did you go to school? it certainly wasn't this or the last one. Or I am guessing you went to school in Queensland where 20th century teaching methods were yet to arrive.

Yeas, in Queensland, and I've already posted the list of what (some of) my Year 12 matriculating cohort even eventually became. That list did not suit your agenda so you had to resort to.....ummm....what is it........adhominem something or other?

And completely without proof and not even willing to state the YEAR of this supposed genius class.

Would it make a pinch of shyts difference if I did? Is that all you need to accept what I have said as the truth?

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Reply #295 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

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http://www.theonion.com/article/home-schooled-student-opens-fire-on-breakfast-no...
OCALA, FL—In the latest act of youth violence to shock the nation, 14-year-old home-schooler Jeffrey Kunz opened fire on the family breakfast nook Monday, killing three and injuring two. "We were just about to start Jeffrey's algebra lesson when I heard several loud pops," said Iris Kunz, 44, the assailant's mother/teacher and one of the injured. "But then I saw blood on Jeffrey's sister Melissa and realized someone was shooting." The gun-wielding teen, who was eventually subdued by SWAT-team agents, was said to be angry at his mother over a science grade.

We should be worried about home schoolers killing their class mates. Ban it.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85400 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #296 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm Ah yes - well my graduating class - the A class and final year matriculation - the one I entered at 14.5 years and finished at 15.5 - had all of seven students. Four were girls, and three boys, all at least a year older than I was. As a child prodigy I trump you all.
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Reply #297 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 9:49pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Ah yes - well my graduating class - the A class and final year matriculation - the one I entered at 14.5 years and finished at 15.5 - had all of seven students. Four were girls, and three boys, all at least a year older than I was.

As a child prodigy I trump you all.

Counting you as one of the boys... How'd you get on? Wink

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Reply #298 - Oct 11^th, 2015 at 10:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

I’m a fake teacher remember, dear, so I’d know. Our NSW curriculum no longer includes subjects like "integral calculus".

But just to be clear, you are saying you’re a barren housewife. I now understand what you were an expert n negotiating, dear.

You certainly are fake and apparently poorly educated that you couldn't tell that integral calculus is MATHEMATICS, Maxwell equations are PHYSICS and exothermic reactions are CHEMISTRY. All these are and remain subjects in the high school curriculum

That’s nice, dear. It’s good to see you’re hip to where the kids are at these days.

You’re an ex-negotiator, no?

And a very good one you were too.

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Reply #299 - Oct 12^th, 2015 at 6:42am

the academic stuff taught at schools is not as important as the "real social dynamic"

i havent used algebra or calculus in the last few days, but the main thing schools teach is hopefully how to "think"

and hopefully the teachers are not caught up in "group think"

i would be wary of home schooling , if for no other reason then that you want to expose the child to as many "independant' thinkers as possible and to try to get them out of group think.

2 parents probably cant do that .

but are the private school teachers more "independant" then the public school teachers.

again , probably not, but a private school parent is "invested' in the outcome.
he's got his money on the line and that always leads to a better outcome.

if you spent $2 on a diet , you probably wont do as well as someone who spent $800 on a gym membership, $1000 on new clothes, $200 on diet pills, $500 on a nutri-bullett.

once people front the cash, they mentally enter a space where results become more important to them.

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