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Reply #315 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #316 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:26am
 
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy


I know I've seen enough to know they're freaking nutters!
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Reply #317 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:27am
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 7:08am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:17pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:48am:
I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?


Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.


Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough,* why do we even employ teachers?  Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.


Prickly because of a supercilious judgemental attitude? Who would have thunk.

*So their friends can use them to educate their kids. Did they need to spend 4-5 hours a week with him? I'm sure you're psychic.



Homeschoolers.... Heard it all before and seen some of the messes.


Someone mention home schooling?

2 observations :

1. Parents : control freak nutters with mental health issues

2. Kids : emotionally unbalanced and socially inept.



Not very subtle, but still rather accurate. I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.


Sorry...not into being subtle here.

Must be a Greek/Italian thing  Tongue
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Reply #318 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:31am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:26am:
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy


I know I've seen enough to know they're freaking nutters!


and you base that opinion on the one that you've met?
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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #319 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:31am
 
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy



Clearly more than you. But you are so shallow that the only opinion you have on any topic is the opposite of mine.
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Reply #320 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:35am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:27am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 7:08am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:17pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:53pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 7:48am:
I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?


Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related. But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.


Well it wouldn't be a home-schooling parent if they weren't super-defensive and prickly. Yes, I oppose home-schooling. If knowing a few people with education in maths and physics were enough,* why do we even employ teachers?  Did those people spend 4-5 hours a week with your kid?

I oppose home-schooling because the vast majority of parents are hopelessly unqualified to do so and those that do (sorry for the generalisation) tend to be those who probably couldn't pass year 8 now.

We have schools for a reason and the reasons for homeschooling are few and even less are valid.


Prickly because of a supercilious judgemental attitude? Who would have thunk.

*So their friends can use them to educate their kids. Did they need to spend 4-5 hours a week with him? I'm sure you're psychic.



Homeschoolers.... Heard it all before and seen some of the messes.


Someone mention home schooling?

2 observations :

1. Parents : control freak nutters with mental health issues

2. Kids : emotionally unbalanced and socially inept.



Not very subtle, but still rather accurate. I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.


Sorry...not into being subtle here.

Must be a Greek/Italian thing  Tongue


Don't apologise. I've not yet seen a home-schooling situation that was justified. Most are frankly, crazy people, socially inept or religious nutters. Most of the kids come out under-schooled and some have significant social problems.  And not yet have I found a home-schooling parent who is an actual teacher.

While Karnal apparently thinks that Physics, Chemistry and Maths are no longer taught, what happens if you have a kid who is very much into those areas? How many parents could teach that at HS level? My hubby could teach the maths and chemistry (He is an engineer) and probably the physics, but he wouldn't want to an I would suggest that he wouldn't be a particularly good teacher either even though he is university-trained in those subjects.

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.
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Reply #321 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:37am
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:31am:
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy



Clearly more than you. But you are so shallow that the only opinion you have on any topic is the opposite of mine.


I don't recall having ever claimed to have met ANY Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ... now why don't you answer the question ? or are you afraid you'll be caught out making crap up again?
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Reply #322 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:40am
 
They are probably referring to US christian nutters doing home schooling and teaching crap like creationism.

I don’t think Setanta is some unbalanced nutter.
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Reply #323 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:43am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:40am:
They are probably referring to US christian nutters doing home schooling and teaching crap like creationism.



so Maria and Lisa met all these US christian nutters have they?  Grin Grin
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Reply #324 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:48am
 
Of course not, I doubt either have met any homeschooled people, homeschooling is not common here.
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Reply #325 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:55am
 
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:20am:
Karnal wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 8:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 6:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 6:42am:
the academic stuff taught at schools is not as important as the "real social dynamic"

i havent used algebra or calculus in the last few days, but the main thing schools teach is hopefully how to "think"

and hopefully the teachers are not caught up in "group think"

i would be wary of home schooling , if for no other reason then that you want to expose the child to as many "independant' thinkers as possible and to try to get them out of group think.

2 parents probably cant do that .

but are the private school teachers more "independant" then the public school teachers.

again , probably not, but a private school parent is "invested' in the outcome.
he's got his money on the line and that always leads to a better outcome.

if you spent $2 on a diet , you probably wont do as well as someone who spent $800 on a gym membership, $1000 on new clothes, $200 on diet pills, $500 on a nutri-bullett.

once people front the cash, they mentally enter a space where results become more important to them.


It's important that students are taught how to think, but rather worthless if they also cannot read, write and master the basics. And that is before we prepare kids for actual careers.


With subjects that don’t exist anymore.

Perhaps we can bring back jobs that don’t exist anymore too, eh?

How about, instead of funding pensions for rich retirees, we fund tea ladies and telex operators and typing pools?

Remember, dear, Australia is open for business.



Are you still seriously trying to suggest that Maths, Physics and Chemistry are not taught in schools now, troll?


No, dear, I'm suggesting that a subject called calculus and random archaic formulas (Maxwell's principle?) are not currently taught in schools.

I'm also suggesting that someone who would propose such archaic topics would have no idea of schools or education. It demonstrates that they don't teach and they don't have children who are learning. Most importantly, it demonstrates a very poor knowledge of mathematics, physics and chemistry.

I'd say such a person shouldn't be commenting on the subject of education, wouldn't you?
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Reply #326 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 9:16am
 
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Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.


Really?  Perhaps you'll readily be able to name the very high profile well known Australian parents of well known kids who 'home school/ed.'  You should have no trouble given your expertise.
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Reply #327 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 9:19am
 
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:31am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:26am:
Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:23am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.



and exactly how many have you seen?  Cheesy Cheesy


I know I've seen enough to know they're freaking nutters!


and you base that opinion on the one that you've met?


Many more.

MANY MORE.

All nutters.  Cry
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Reply #328 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 9:19am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:48am:
Of course not, I doubt either have met any homeschooled people, homeschooling is not common here.


As someone who has never had kids, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW????  There are a lot of homeschoolers to the extent that is considered quite a problem. Education departments even have staff that follow up on homeschoolers.
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Reply #329 - Oct 13th, 2015 at 9:20am
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:55am:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 8:20am:
Karnal wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 8:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 6:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 6:42am:
the academic stuff taught at schools is not as important as the "real social dynamic"

i havent used algebra or calculus in the last few days, but the main thing schools teach is hopefully how to "think"

and hopefully the teachers are not caught up in "group think"

i would be wary of home schooling , if for no other reason then that you want to expose the child to as many "independant' thinkers as possible and to try to get them out of group think.

2 parents probably cant do that .

but are the private school teachers more "independant" then the public school teachers.

again , probably not, but a private school parent is "invested' in the outcome.
he's got his money on the line and that always leads to a better outcome.

if you spent $2 on a diet , you probably wont do as well as someone who spent $800 on a gym membership, $1000 on new clothes, $200 on diet pills, $500 on a nutri-bullett.

once people front the cash, they mentally enter a space where results become more important to them.


It's important that students are taught how to think, but rather worthless if they also cannot read, write and master the basics. And that is before we prepare kids for actual careers.


With subjects that don’t exist anymore.

Perhaps we can bring back jobs that don’t exist anymore too, eh?

How about, instead of funding pensions for rich retirees, we fund tea ladies and telex operators and typing pools?

Remember, dear, Australia is open for business.



Are you still seriously trying to suggest that Maths, Physics and Chemistry are not taught in schools now, troll?


No, dear, I'm suggesting that a subject called calculus and random archaic formulas (Maxwell's principle?) are not currently taught in schools.

I'm also suggesting that someone who would propose such archaic topics would have no idea of schools or education. It demonstrates that they don't teach and they don't have children who are learning. Most importantly, it demonstrates a very poor knowledge of mathematics, physics and chemistry.

I'd say such a person shouldn't be commenting on the subject of education, wouldn't you?


Total unadulterated bovine faecal matter!
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