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Reply #375 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:08am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

I know a family where all three kids were home schooled, all three are completely normal, all with uni degrees, one is a photographer and a second finished med school two years ago

Stop it, my sides are hurting from laughing so much!

Umm, why?

Because your story is ridiculous. I've heard such 'stories' before and then it turns out they were home schooled until year 8 at which time they attended more and more 'at school' lessons until by year 12 they are the 'home schooled triumph' that actually attends school full-time.

Or do you want us to believe that a kid who gets into medicine with five 20s in high ranked subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, pure maths and English did all their learning at home with mum and her year 9 level schooling from 20 years previously?

Yes, because thats precisely what happened apart from the mum and year 9 level schooling thing.

Stop it.

It's getting funnier by the post! Grin

What the bugger are you dribbling about.

she doesn't know either!

Weird, I know its an anecdote, but it does seem to defy the suggestion that home schooling doesnt work. My opinion is that it comes down largely to the parents involved in the home schooling.

I have a son who has followed the Engineering disciple. From early years his needs were in pure maths, physics and other sciences - areas I did not do. How would I teach those at year 12 level?

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #376 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

I know a family where all three kids were home schooled, all three are completely normal, all with uni degrees, one is a photographer and a second finished med school two years ago

Stop it, my sides are hurting from laughing so much!

Umm, why?

Because your story is ridiculous. I've heard such 'stories' before and then it turns out they were home schooled until year 8 at which time they attended more and more 'at school' lessons until by year 12 they are the 'home schooled triumph' that actually attends school full-time.

Or do you want us to believe that a kid who gets into medicine with five 20s in high ranked subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, pure maths and English did all their learning at home with mum and her year 9 level schooling from 20 years previously?

Yes, because thats precisely what happened apart from the mum and year 9 level schooling thing.

Stop it.

It's getting funnier by the post! Grin

What the bugger are you dribbling about.

she doesn't know either!

Weird, I know its an anecdote, but it does seem to defy the suggestion that home schooling doesnt work. My opinion is that it comes down largely to the parents involved in the home schooling.

I have a son who has followed the Engineering disciple. From early years his needs were in pure maths, physics and other sciences - areas I did not do. How would I teach those at year 12 level?

I dont know. What I am suggesting is that the quality of home schooling, like all schooling depends on the relative quality of the student and teacher.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #377 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

you are actually going to claim Einstein was home-schooled?

I'm not claiming anything, I just copied a list . This is what they had to say on the subject of Einstein

Like many creative geniuses throughout history, Einstein was largely self-educated. While it is common knowledge that Einstein had difficulty in school, and although technically he wasn’t actually homeschooled, Einstein self- taught himself in every sense, particularly in the field of mathematics.

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Reply #378 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:11am

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Weren't we talking about troubled parents, without exception ~ not academic success?

Or, is that you doing yet another 180 degree shift after having your arse handed to you, yet again?

That list from johnsmith was truly glorious in its idiocy. Firstly it included a list composed almost entirely of sports people and actors - not exactly careers that require much academic achievement. Then it includes people literally from centuries ago from a period where schools barely existed and then delivers the coup de grace by listing as home-schooled, people we KNOW were class-room educated.

What a dismal effort.

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Reply #379 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:12am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

I know a family where all three kids were home schooled, all three are completely normal, all with uni degrees, one is a photographer and a second finished med school two years ago

Stop it, my sides are hurting from laughing so much!

Umm, why?

Because your story is ridiculous. I've heard such 'stories' before and then it turns out they were home schooled until year 8 at which time they attended more and more 'at school' lessons until by year 12 they are the 'home schooled triumph' that actually attends school full-time.

Or do you want us to believe that a kid who gets into medicine with five 20s in high ranked subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, pure maths and English did all their learning at home with mum and her year 9 level schooling from 20 years previously?

Yes, because thats precisely what happened apart from the mum and year 9 level schooling thing.

Stop it.

It's getting funnier by the post! Grin

What the bugger are you dribbling about.

she doesn't know either!

Weird, I know its an anecdote, but it does seem to defy the suggestion that home schooling doesnt work. My opinion is that it comes down largely to the parents involved in the home schooling.

I have a son who has followed the Engineering disciple. From early years his needs were in pure maths, physics and other sciences - areas I did not do. How would I teach those at year 12 level?

I dont know. What I am suggesting is that the quality of home schooling, like all schooling depends on the relative quality of the student and teacher.

EXACTLY! The parent has to be a teacher as well as have the requisite knowledge. And my experience has shown to largely not be true and is why the majority of home-schooled kids end up back in school after the kids are found to be academically well behind as well as socially adrift.

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Reply #380 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:13am

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Weren't we talking about troubled parents, without exception ~ not academic success?

Or, is that you doing yet another 180 degree shift after having your arse handed to you, yet again?

that's all it ever does, makes a dumb comment, gets shown the error of it's ways, so she pretends the argument was about something else or starts with personal attacks ... Cheesy

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Reply #381 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:13am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Weren't we talking about troubled parents, without exception ~ not academic success?

Or, is that you doing yet another 180 degree shift after having your arse handed to you, yet again?

That list from johnsmith was truly glorious in its idiocy. Firstly it included a list composed almost entirely of sports people and actors - not exactly careers that require much academic achievement. Then it includes people literally from centuries ago from a period where schools barely existed and then delivers the coup de grace by listing as home-schooled, people we KNOW were class-room educated.

What a dismal effort.

which of those on the list were troubled Maria?

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Reply #382 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:56am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

I know a family where all three kids were home schooled, all three are completely normal, all with uni degrees, one is a photographer and a second finished med school two years ago

Stop it, my sides are hurting from laughing so much!

Umm, why?

Because your story is ridiculous. I've heard such 'stories' before and then it turns out they were home schooled until year 8 at which time they attended more and more 'at school' lessons until by year 12 they are the 'home schooled triumph' that actually attends school full-time.

Or do you want us to believe that a kid who gets into medicine with five 20s in high ranked subjects like maths, physics, chemistry, pure maths and English did all their learning at home with mum and her year 9 level schooling from 20 years previously?

Yes, because thats precisely what happened apart from the mum and year 9 level schooling thing.

Stop it.

It's getting funnier by the post! Grin

What the bugger are you dribbling about.

she doesn't know either!

Weird, I know its an anecdote, but it does seem to defy the suggestion that home schooling doesnt work. My opinion is that it comes down largely to the parents involved in the home schooling.

I have a son who has followed the Engineering disciple. From early years his needs were in pure maths, physics and other sciences - areas I did not do. How would I teach those at year 12 level?

I dont know. What I am suggesting is that the quality of home schooling, like all schooling depends on the relative quality of the student and teacher.

EXACTLY! The parent has to be a teacher as well as have the requisite knowledge. And my experience has shown to largely not be true and is why the majority of home-schooled kids end up back in school after the kids are found to be academically well behind as well as socially adrift.

Didnt you say all?

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Reply #383 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

you are actually going to claim Einstein was home-schooled?

I'm not claiming anything, I just copied a list . This is what they had to say on the subject of Einstein

Like many creative geniuses throughout history, Einstein was largely self-educated. While it is common knowledge that Einstein had difficulty in school, and although technically he wasn’t actually homeschooled, Einstein self- taught himself in every sense, particularly in the field of mathematics.

So he wasn't home-schooled at all. That's a big admission given the topic was home-schooling. And using one of the greatest minds of the last century as a typical example was always going to be an epic fail.

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Reply #384 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Weren't we talking about troubled parents, without exception ~ not academic success?

Or, is that you doing yet another 180 degree shift after having your arse handed to you, yet again?

That list from johnsmith was truly glorious in its idiocy. Firstly it included a list composed almost entirely of sports people and actors - not exactly careers that require much academic achievement. Then it includes people literally from centuries ago from a period where schools barely existed and then delivers the coup de grace by listing as home-schooled, people we KNOW were class-room educated.

What a dismal effort.

To prove you wrong, all that was needed was just one set of parents who home schooled their kinds. It is irrelevant to the discussion what the kids then did, or became. Are you saying that the parents of all those kids were troubled.................oh yeas you are............'without exception' you said.

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Reply #385 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:15am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

you are actually going to claim Einstein was home-schooled?

I'm not claiming anything, I just copied a list . This is what they had to say on the subject of Einstein

Like many creative geniuses throughout history, Einstein was largely self-educated. While it is common knowledge that Einstein had difficulty in school, and although technically he wasn’t actually homeschooled, Einstein self- taught himself in every sense, particularly in the field of mathematics.

So he wasn't home-schooled at all. That's a big admission given the topic was home-schooling. And using one of the greatest minds of the last century as a typical example was always going to be an epic fail.

try to focus dopey, which of those on the list, or their parents , were troubled?

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Reply #386 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:17am

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Weren't we talking about troubled parents, without exception ~ not academic success?

Or, is that you doing yet another 180 degree shift after having your arse handed to you, yet again?

That list from johnsmith was truly glorious in its idiocy. Firstly it included a list composed almost entirely of sports people and actors - not exactly careers that require much academic achievement. Then it includes people literally from centuries ago from a period where schools barely existed and then delivers the coup de grace by listing as home-schooled, people we KNOW were class-room educated.

What a dismal effort.

To prove you wrong, all that was needed was just one set of parents who home schooled their kinds. It is irrelevant to the discussion what the kids then did, or became. Are you saying that the parents of all those kids were troubled.................oh yeas you are............'without exception' you said.

Take a look at the Williams sisters. Are you going to pretend they aren't troubled?

Take a hint Aussie. Lisa and I have destroyed the argument from you and the other bogans. Home-schooled kids have all manner of problems and their parents are irresponsible.

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Reply #387 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

So.....in summary:

Private High School grads :

1. Horseman
2. Aussie
3. Maria

Public High School grads :

1. John
2. Scoot
3. Lisa Jones (yr 11 & yr 12 selective public high school)

Anyone/anything I've missed?

Me 5 years at selective public high school, last year at private high school.

Really? I thought it was all the way through.

Me? 1st 4yrs private high school.

Last 2 yrs selective public high school.

Full on competitive braniac gladiators from the get go. All girls too....hence verrrry bitchy. Cry

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Reply #388 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am

Imariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

I've not seen a home schooling parent yet who I would not describe as 'troubled'.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

here are virtually NO well-known, high-profile home-schoolers

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

I've not yet seen a home-schooling situation that was justified. Most are frankly, crazy people, socially inept or religious nutters. Most of the kids come out under-schooled and some have significant social problems. And not yet have I found a home-schooling parent who is an actual teacher.

these were your comments Maria, there is no mention of academic success

so who's the real nutter? Grin

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