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Reply #420 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

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Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

Don't flatter yourself. You are disagreeable without the influence of my predilections.

So you are asking me to accept your anecdotal evidence over the anecdotal evidence of my own experience and that of other posters in this thread who claim they are witness or even participants in successful home schooling?

No. Afraid not.

We've had ONE witness whose story eventually devolved to the kids attending highschool anyhow. The rest have made zero claims of participating in such.

You might try reading first.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #421 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am: tha5t was the general consensus. you and Lisa do not a consensus make ! Don't worry about him Maria, John's just jealous that he's not in our group.
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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #422 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #423 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

you are actually going to claim Einstein was home-schooled?

I'm not claiming anything, I just copied a list . This is what they had to say on the subject of Einstein

Like many creative geniuses throughout history, Einstein was largely self-educated. While it is common knowledge that Einstein had difficulty in school, and although technically he wasn’t actually homeschooled, Einstein self- taught himself in every sense, particularly in the field of mathematics.

So he wasn't home-schooled at all. That's a big admission given the topic was home-schooling. And using one of the greatest minds of the last century as a typical example was always going to be an epic fail.

try to focus dopey, which of those on the list, or their parents , were troubled?

You and Lisa haven't destroyed anything. It's mostly just been a competition between the two of you to see who is the most rude and obnoxious ... with you making outrageous claims and Lisa heckling from the sidelines like a hyena.

Home schooling is a viable option for some people ... and it can work very well.

Well it generally doesn't work very well at all and is always a second-rate option leading to second-rate outcomes.

Generally, I agree. Except you never started with generally.

Ah language and how it can be misused and misunderstood.

Mind you, I am still to see a stellar example of home-schooling. No one has produced one although the board's anti-Einstein (johnsmith) tried to claim that Einstein was home-schooled.

Indeed it can be misused. Never use always when you mean generally.

Then find me an example of a fully-home-schooled kid and let's discuss their outcomes. From the last 50 years please.

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Reply #425 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

that was the general consensus.

you and Lisa do not a consensus make ! Cheesy

Really, you think the ignorance you bring to the discussion rates at all?

Comedy value?

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Reply #426 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

Don't flatter yourself. You are disagreeable without the influence of my predilections.

So you are asking me to accept your anecdotal evidence over the anecdotal evidence of my own experience and that of other posters in this thread who claim they are witness or even participants in successful home schooling?

No. Afraid not.

We've had ONE witness whose story eventually devolved to the kids attending highschool anyhow. The rest have made zero claims of participating in such.

You might try reading first.

We have Setanta and Bojack. That's 2.

And what i have observed in my own life.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #427 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #428 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

so he was home schooled and still went on to become the 'the 3rd most important physicist in history'?

way to blow your own argument out of the water. Grin

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Reply #429 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Then find me an example of a fully-home-schooled kid and let's discuss their outcomes.

Bindi Irwin (Steve Irwin's daughter)
Maria Sharapova (tennis player)
Venus Williams (tennis player)
Serena Williams (tennis player)
Pro Hart (Australian artist)
Hanson (band)
Moffats (band)
Christina Aguileria (singer)
LeAnne Rimes (singer)
Justin Timberlake (singer)
Hillary Duff (singer/actress)
Whoopi Goldberg (actress)
Dakota Fanning (actress)
Jennifer Love Hewitt (actress)
Alan Alda (actor)
Frankie Muniz (child actor)
Agatha Christie (author)
CS Lewis (author)

all at the top of their respective careers Cheesy

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Reply #430 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

A) the prime hours are spent in the home and B) one of the major reasons for home schooling is to AVOID socialisation with the world.

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Reply #431 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

that was the general consensus.

you and Lisa do not a consensus make ! Cheesy

Really, you think the ignorance you bring to the discussion rates at all?

Comedy value?

That's true and it also establishes the bottom tier as well.

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Reply #432 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

Don't flatter yourself. You are disagreeable without the influence of my predilections.

So you are asking me to accept your anecdotal evidence over the anecdotal evidence of my own experience and that of other posters in this thread who claim they are witness or even participants in successful home schooling?

No. Afraid not.

We've had ONE witness whose story eventually devolved to the kids attending highschool anyhow. The rest have made zero claims of participating in such.

You might try reading first.

We have Setanta and Bojack. That's 2.

And what i have observed in my own life.

Setanta's account has been discredited and Bojacks has turned into something less than actual home-schooling.

Now, please enlighten us with your own observations. I am sure we will find them all very entertaining.

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Reply #433 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

A) the prime hours are spent in the home and B) one of the major reasons for home schooling is to AVOID socialisation with the world.

A) Who is to say that the child is not exposed to many extracurricular activities and quality time with peers?

B) The point of home schooling is to quality control the subject matter, not to avoid socialisation.

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Reply #434 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

A) the prime hours are spent in the home and B) one of the major reasons for home schooling is to AVOID socialisation with the world.

making up more crap? Grin

have you any evidence at all that one of the major reasons is to avoid socialisation with the world?

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

That's true and it also establishes the bottom tier as well.

that bottom tier is still way higher than you'll ever reach

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