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Reply #435 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

so he was home schooled and still went on to become the 'the 3rd most important physicist in history'?

way to blow your own argument out of the water. Grin

Until age 8, you twit at which time he had to struggle past the inherent problems with his homeschooling.

DO TRY AND READ WITH COMPREHENSION.

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Reply #436 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

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Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

Don't flatter yourself. You are disagreeable without the influence of my predilections.

So you are asking me to accept your anecdotal evidence over the anecdotal evidence of my own experience and that of other posters in this thread who claim they are witness or even participants in successful home schooling?

No. Afraid not.

We've had ONE witness whose story eventually devolved to the kids attending highschool anyhow. The rest have made zero claims of participating in such.

You might try reading first.

We have Setanta and Bojack. That's 2.

And what i have observed in my own life.

Setanta's account has been discredited and Bojacks has turned into something less than actual home-schooling.

Now, please enlighten us with your own observations. I am sure we will find them all very entertaining.

Setanta was not discredited and Bojack spoke of home schooling.

Next.

As to my own observations, nothing more than i have seen it work.

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Johnsmith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4716 Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #437 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:23pm mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm: Until age 8, you twit at which time he had to struggle past the inherent problems with his homeschooling. DO TRY AND READ WITH COMPREHENSION. because kids that aren't homeschooled never struggle to fit in, right?
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Reply #438 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Then find me an example of a fully-home-schooled kid and let's discuss their outcomes.

Bindi Irwin (Steve Irwin's daughter)
Maria Sharapova (tennis player)
Venus Williams (tennis player)
Serena Williams (tennis player)
Pro Hart (Australian artist)
Hanson (band)
Moffats (band)
Christina Aguileria (singer)
LeAnne Rimes (singer)
Justin Timberlake (singer)
Hillary Duff (singer/actress)
Whoopi Goldberg (actress)
Dakota Fanning (actress)
Jennifer Love Hewitt (actress)
Alan Alda (actor)
Frankie Muniz (child actor)
Agatha Christie (author)
CS Lewis (author)

all at the top of their respective careers Cheesy

Will dispute the last two and the rest are perhaps the least academic people you could find and so many of them are.... TROUBLED.

BTW I have alan aldas actual biography here and I've read it. You might want to retract that one as well.

do you have an example of a home schooled person who actually did something that requires education?

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Reply #439 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

Come on "Maria." You ought be able to name those parents in a flash, given you reckon that without exception they are troubled. That narrows the filed, wot. High profile Australian parents, high profile kids....without exception, troubled.

Yeah, that lightening-fast lawyer brain of yours...

Even a dim-witted person would work out that the absence of home-schooled high-profile parents and kids are part of the proof.

I doubt you even stand out among other taxi drivers.

Thanks for an excellent contribution to the debate, dear. Does dim-witted count as an idiot post?

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Reply #440 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

scarcity of opportunity.

if you want to learn french, which option is better.

being thrown into a school of 1000 french speakers or having mummy give you a lesson every day.

if you want to learn "how to socialise" which by definition would be "how to relate to other human beings" , then the more exposure you can get the better. The more immersed you can become in the socialisation the better.

i think the home schooling movement even recognise this and arrange get togethers with other home schooled kids, which sort of shows they acknowledge that socialisation is very important.

so if its very important, why would you not want to get as much of it as possible.

i actually do believe schools can be too big.
you want a tight group of 10 friends, a peer group of 30 and close aquaintences with 100.

this is the basis of the roman army, even of our modern army

section of 10 (best buddies)
platoon of 30
company og 100.
regiment of 600.

that seems about right.
once you go above 600 (and my local public high school has 2,500 you get into a framework of people not caring about their schoolmates because theyve never met them ..and socialised with them)

i also consider the ideal business size should not exceed about 600 for the same reason and the same is true of big public hospitals and bureacracies.

so 10 best mates
30 good friends and 100 friends and 600 you know

you cant fight mother nature

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Reply #441 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

'Maria' ~ this is your bold and unequivocal assertion:

Quote:

Home-schoolers are without exception, 'troubled' people.

'Without exception.'

To which you have shown zero evidence.

Have you provided any evidence that all home schoolers are "troubled people"?

You are simply making an assessment built on your own prejudices.

Actually, I am basing them on my own experiences and that of the reports of various education authorities around the world that tend to frown on the practice. You of course base you opinion on simply finding my own and disagreeing with it.

Which experiences, dear?

As a teacher or a student?

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Reply #442 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

so he was home schooled and still went on to become the 'the 3rd most important physicist in history'?

way to blow your own argument out of the water. Grin

Until age 8, you twit at which time he had to struggle past the inherent problems with his homeschooling.

DO TRY AND READ WITH COMPREHENSION.

Does twit count as an idiot post?

I'm curious.

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Reply #443 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

A) the prime hours are spent in the home and B) one of the major reasons for home schooling is to AVOID socialisation with the world.

A) Who is to say that the child is not exposed to many extracurricular activities and quality time with peers?

B) The point of home schooling is to quality control the subject matter, not to avoid socialisation.

And THAT is how we know you have zero first-hand or other knowledge of home-schooling. What a foolish and ignorant statement to make. Parents who home-school do so for a variety of reasons, but in large measure that are poorly educated themselves and/or totally unqualified or unsuited to teach kids.

'quality control'... what utter drivel.

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Reply #444 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

You're right. I am. Can you show where he exists in the NSW science curriculum, dear?

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Reply #445 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:36pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

What's to say home schooled children can't have plenty of socialisation?

A) the prime hours are spent in the home and B) one of the major reasons for home schooling is to AVOID socialisation with the world.

A) Who is to say that the child is not exposed to many extracurricular activities and quality time with peers?

B) The point of home schooling is to quality control the subject matter, not to avoid socialisation.

And THAT is how we know you have zero first-hand or other knowledge of home-schooling. What a foolish and ignorant statement to make. Parents who home-school do so for a variety of reasons, but in large measure that are poorly educated themselves and/or totally unqualified or unsuited to teach kids.

'quality control'... what utter drivel.

Home schooling parents are closely watched by the Dept. of Education. You are aware you have to apply, yes?

Of the people i have met who home school, it is largely about quality controlling the education.

But it's nice of you to concede that people do it for a variety of reasons now. Just a few posts ago you were saying it was all about social exclusion.

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Reply #446 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

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Home schooling parents are closely watched by the Dept. of Education.

Home schooling parents don't have to do a thing. Home-schooled kids are supervised by a Board of Studies home-schooling teacher. They have regular phone contact to explain the work and do all the marking.

All the parents have to do is prepare a work space and get their kids to knuckle down.

Maria would know all this, of course. I'm sure she has as much knowledge of home-schooling as she does with the NSW Maths and Science Curriculums.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #448 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm So....who here is sending or has sent their kids to a private school? What have been your experiences?
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Reply #449 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:53pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

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Home schooling parents are closely watched by the Dept. of Education.

Home schooling parents don't have to do a thing. Home-schooled kids are supervised by a Board of Studies home-schooling teacher. They have regular phone contact to explain the work and do all the marking.

All the parents have to do is prepare a work space and get their kids to knuckle down.

Maria would know all this, of course. I'm sure she has as much knowledge of home-schooling as she does with the NSW Maths and Science Curriculums.

The experience my friend had was a little more intensive than that.

Maybe it's different in different states?

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