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Reply #466 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:47pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

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Home schooling parents are closely watched by the Dept. of Education.

Home schooling parents don't have to do a thing. Home-schooled kids are supervised by a Board of Studies home-schooling teacher. They have regular phone contact to explain the work and do all the marking.

All the parents have to do is prepare a work space and get their kids to knuckle down.

Maria would know all this, of course. I'm sure she has as much knowledge of home-schooling as she does with the NSW Maths and Science Curriculums.

The experience my friend had was a little more intensive than that.

Maybe it's different in different states?

Yes, the Board of Studies is in NSW. The Department of Education and Training need to approve home schooling at the district level. In NSW, there needs to be a long-term plan for the student to re-enroll in a DET school wherever this is possible.

Home-schooling for religious reasons is a different criteria, but is still supervised by the Board of Studies.

Maria would know all this, Mother. She comes from NSW too.

Oh so now it's overseen by a typically inept govt body.

Big deal!

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Reply #467 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

You're right. I am. Can you show where he exists in the NSW science curriculum, dear?

Maths and Physics. Duh!

Karnal seems to have this real obsession with somehow trying to prove that physics, chemistry and maths were excised from the curriculum in 1963.

He is making even less sense than usual. Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

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Reply #468 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:18pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 7:11am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

I wasn't aware that Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics were considered 'trades'. Who taught your kids these subjects?

Way to miss the point. I shared rather briefly how we had our kids educated. I was talking about our kids and only the programmer did physics and upper math, none did chemistry, they were mainly trade related.

But since you bring it up, my plumber mate that I think you mentioned in another post happens to have a Harvard educated Math teacher brother that is also a mate of mine, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

Hell, why even believe we home schooled? Then there's the lovely old lady that lives behind us and down two houses that teaches Math at SCU who said, "anytime!" when we asked if middle son could ask her if he had trouble with anything at one of our neighbourly BBQs.

Are your friends not of all makes and sizes? Do you have any? Are you the shining beacon amongst them?

edit: Just because you home school doesn't mean there are no teachers either, they have one for every subject but it's more like UNI as there are few classes and most must be accomplished by the student and you contact the teacher when you need to.

Setanta, give it a rest.

Your BS is getting beyond ridiculous now.

It's not BS Lisa and as I said to Maria, not that you'll believe it, it wouldn't serve your purpose.

As for some of the other things Maria and yourself have said, I'm not a helicopter parent, do not have a mental illness, am not a christian nutter, not even christian and doubt very much whether I would qualify as a bogan. I know this will make no difference, so be it. I'll say one thing though, I'm not insane enough to have bothered discussing it further with you or Maria.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Like I said, Longy doesn’t know any homeschooled people and is basing his argument on christian nutters in the US.

Setanta is not a christian nutter.

Thanks Monk, they still think I'm a nutter. That's OK. Grin

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Setanta was not discredited and Bojack spoke of home schooling.

Next.

As to my own observations, nothing more than i have seen it work.

Thanks Mothra, perhaps it was Lisa's post above that discredited me. I mean she said it was BS, what more can I say!?

Anyway, I'm out. Carry on everyone.

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Reply #469 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

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Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

Then you should have no problem showing this in the NSW HSC Physics Syllabus. It's online, dear. You'll find it under the NSW Board of Studies website.

And when you're done with that, please show where a subject called calculus is taught in any state curriculum.

I'll wait for you to get back, dear.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96659	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #470 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:27pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:30pm: How about calculus, Lisa? Yep....what about calculus? He's an eccentric professor in the Tintin series, no?
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Reply #471 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

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Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

Then you should have no problem showing this in the NSW HSC Physics Syllabus. It's online, dear. You'll find it under the NSW Board of Studies website.

And when you're done with that, please show where a subject called calculus is taught in any state curriculum.

I'll wait for you to get back, dear.

Oh God.

Karnal.

You need to step back now.

Ok?

You're way in over your head and NO AMOUNT OF 5 SECOND GOOGLING is going to get you out of this.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #472 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm: Maxwell has rather been superceded by quantum mechanics. And if you are teaching year 10 students about electromagnetism and waves you don't start with quantum mechanics.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools Reply #473 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:31pm Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:27pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:30pm: How about calculus, Lisa? Yep....what about calculus? He's an eccentric professor in the Tintin series, no? You're seriously trolling. And I don't like it.
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Reply #474 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

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Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

Then you should have no problem showing this in the NSW HSC Physics Syllabus. It's online, dear. You'll find it under the NSW Board of Studies website.

And when you're done with that, please show where a subject called calculus is taught in any state curriculum.

I'll wait for you to get back, dear.

Oh God.

Karnal.

You need to step back now.

Ok?

You're way in over your head and NO AMOUNT OF 5 SECOND GOOGLING is going to get you out of this.

You're free to Google too, dear. Have a little look-see and get back.

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Reply #475 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

lets be real now.
The number one important thing for happiness and success in life is to develop a good emotional and social intelligence.
This is even more important than IQ.

How does one develop social intelligence?

How does one learn to play the piano?
Ride a bike?
Play chess?
Play basketball?
Pick up chicks?

years and years of practice and exposure and learning from your mistakes and developing muscle memory and prefecting your "art"

now, how can a child learn to "socialise", "read non verbal cues". "learn body language" "learn social skills"

IF they are not exposed to socialisation over and over and over and as much as possible in as many different settings as possible.

common sense says that to be schooled by your mum as opposed to being schooled by 1000 other humans you "socialise' with, just has to be an inferior learning process .

IN fact I read the biography of one famous scientist who was home-schooled until 8 and when he went to school suffered social difficulties from just that reason. The name is James Clerk Maxwell, the 3rd most important physicist in history and someone that Karnal is unaware of even exists.

You're right. I am. Can you show where he exists in the NSW science curriculum, dear?

Maths and Physics. Duh!

Karnal seems to have this real obsession with somehow trying to prove that physics, chemistry and maths were excised from the curriculum in 1963.

He is making even less sense than usual. Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

Karnal is simply baiting and trolling.

And I don't like it.

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Reply #476 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

Maxwell has rather been superceded by quantum mechanics.

And if you are teaching year 10 students about electromagnetism and waves you don't start with quantum mechanics.

And when those things were taught, it was not introduced as being the theory of anyone ~ no one was named. It is just taught.

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Reply #477 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:34pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

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Maxwell is taught in EVERY physics class.

Then you should have no problem showing this in the NSW HSC Physics Syllabus. It's online, dear. You'll find it under the NSW Board of Studies website.

And when you're done with that, please show where a subject called calculus is taught in any state curriculum.

I'll wait for you to get back, dear.

Oh God.

Karnal.

You need to step back now.

Ok?

You're way in over your head and NO AMOUNT OF 5 SECOND GOOGLING is going to get you out of this.

It sounds like he is having a mental breakdown. I am not even sure what he is trying to prove. No one is saying there is a subject called Calculus, only that it is taught in the maths syllabus - something that would be rather obvious even to someone as daft as he is.

And pretending that Maxwell's equations or his contribution are not taught is equally nuts.

Do you have any idea what this crazy loon is trying to say?

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Reply #478 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:34pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

How about calculus, Lisa?

Yep....what about calculus?

He's an eccentric professor in the Tintin series, no?

You're seriously trolling.

And I don't like it.

That's sad, Lisa. The truth can be hard for us all at times.

Try to remember it's a jolly world, okay? Every day, in every way, things are getting better and better.

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Reply #479 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

Maxwell has rather been superceded by quantum mechanics.

And if you are teaching year 10 students about electromagnetism and waves you don't start with quantum mechanics.

And when those things were taught, it was not introduced as being the theory of anyone ~ no one was amed. It is just taught.

Why the hell would he NOT be named? What exactly is your point? You seem to be making a very over-arching statement for someone who clearly never even studied the sciences.

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