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Reply #60 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:38am

It may be possible to have your kids do well at a public school.
you would have to do a lot of extra home schooling yourself to filter out the negative neurotic thinking of the public sector unionised workforce who have been tinkering with your kids minds all day.

When i want to train a young horse, its important that you dont let idiots teach it bad lessons. it actually takes more time to unteach a bad lesson then to teach it right from scratch.

I saw some stats this morning that self harm amongst teenagers is up 100 % in the last 10 years.

this is what happens when negative neurotic systems are allowed to spread the negative neurotic contagion to young minds.

I'm sure public schools have lots of hand wringing guidance officers and school psychologists all focusing on negative thinking, self loathing and limiting beliefs.

i want my young horses and my kids to be taught in an environment where everything is based on hard work, hard play, consistency, confidence, reward for effort, challenging to break through to the next level, hero worship and unconditional positive regard.

i see these attributes in dynamic private educators.
i do not see them in toxic lefty unionised teachers who wear thongs and jeans and look beaten down.

the public sector does not take pride in itself or value itself.
i wouldnt want my legacy being tainted with this belief system.
it would require too much effort to undo all the harm that would be done.
my rightard daughter has some friends who are in young labor. they all have anxiety conditons, eating disorders, insomnia and are so easily swayed by their emotions.they seem very concerned about transgender issues and gay marriage, they dont seem very concerned with understanding the difference between a franked and an unfranked dividened.
i think they are drawn to my kids as my kids are so super confident.
like a moth to the light
and good old fashioned rightard values are a shining light in these dark days of negative self loathing leftard socialism Wink

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Reply #62 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:25am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exist because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educate their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

Oh duh!

Oooh....I forgot. This is OzPol lol the place where the bleeding obvious needs to be explained and clarified. My bad Maria Tongue

Sometimes in any debate, the dead-set obvious gets overlooked. Occasionally we need to be reminded of those points.

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Reply #63 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:27am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

Fair point but a lot would remain open. But take the funding away from public schools and ZERO would remain. This is the province of the parents who literally complain about paying a $25pa fee for stationery in a public school and get interviewed for the newspaper about it.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #64 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:44am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Scoot reckons she trains horses and that is how she knows about private schools Cheesy

Scoot knows which training methods work and which lead to an anxious schizoid and dangerous student.
Scoot knows that mindful confident and positive teaching works.
Make the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy
Reward the smallest try.
Break it down into simple steps
When the wrong thing is done, correct it with a negative consequence , immediately and with no emotion.
Be mindful that there are no bad students , only bad trainers.
If a student becomes rebellious, dangerous and is not learning, you need to take responsibility for that and modify the lessons.
Always give the struggling student an "out" .
When you ask for a result , dont stop asking until the result is produced.
Your job is to lead, you have no right being anxious or lacking in confidence as this will be transferred by the law of mood transfer.
Refresh each lesson before moving onto the next.
Good nutrition is vital
Good posture is vital
Always be the alpha
A firm touch is reassuring
Do not react to things or the fear will be transferred.
Use as little force as possible but as much force as neccessary.
Respect has to come before love.
Learn the 5 love languages that all students (and horses) respond to

acts of service
quality time
gifts
positive affirmations
physical touch

be mindful that each needs to be applied judiciously.

dont let numpties anywhere near your student/horse..they will only confuse it.

i could go on.
you only get one chance to be trained.
ive seen plenty of kids and foals ruined because they went to the wrong trainers.
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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #65 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:38am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

a tourist traveling through Tibet stopped at an isolated monastery on a mountain top
in the monastery there was a coffee shop with only two items

they were

coffee $2
coffee $200

when the tourist asked the monk what was the difference between the coffee's the monk said $198, yet occasionally people buy the $200 coffee because they think it must be better

Or perhaps to the enlightened, having $200 is not different to having $2, to having $0. As they are all materialistic illusions that causes pain and suffering. So then traveller... will you pay $2, or $200, or $2000 for the coffee, or no coffee. Cheesy

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #66 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #67 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:53am

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

Watch the poverty-mindset lefties absolutely disagree with everything you say and provide absolutely no proof to support it.

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Re: Sending Children To Private Or Public Schools
Reply #68 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

a tourist traveling through Tibet stopped at an isolated monastery on a mountain top
in the monastery there was a coffee shop with only two items

they were

coffee $2
coffee $200

when the tourist asked the monk what was the difference between the coffee's the monk said $198, yet occasionally people buy the $200 coffee because they think it must be better

Or perhaps to the enlightened, having $200 is not different to having $2, to having $0. As they are all materialistic illusions that causes pain and suffering. So then traveller... will you pay $2, or $200, or $2000 for the coffee, or no coffee. Cheesy

who said he was enlightened? they use the apprentices to do the hard work, the enlightened ones sit on their pillows and uuhhhmmmmm Cheesy

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Reply #69 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

did you disagree with my comment Swag? As for your 'private schools save' bullshit, the only ones to claim that are the private schools themselves.

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Reply #70 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

Watch the poverty-mindset lefties absolutely disagree with everything you say and provide absolutely no proof to support it.

Did you see any proof that private schools save the govt. money? Or do you deliberately strive for hypocrisy with each and every comment?

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Reply #71 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

Watch the poverty-mindset lefties absolutely disagree with everything you say and provide absolutely no proof to support it.

Did you see any proof that private schools save the govt. money? Or do you deliberately strive for hypocrisy with each and every comment?

That private schools saves the government enormous sums of money is not up for dispute except by the crazy left and loons like yourself. The argument is so simple even you could follow it. And here it is: the government provides 30% LESS per private student than public student. Now explain why spending less is actually spending more. I am sure you will find a way.

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Reply #72 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

If Private schools weren't better than Public schools....then there'd be no private schools.... Cheesy

You know... I've never heard anyone make that point and yet it is perhaps the most powerful argument of all. They exists because people are prepared to pay huge amounts to educated their kids privately ergo they consider them to be a lot better than public schools.

they exist because tax payer dollars prop them up .... remove the govt. money and the majority would close.

....and then the taxpayer would have to fork out billions more education dollars each year to educate the exodus of private school children to the public system. Shocked

Private schools actually save the Govt (tax-payer) billions every year. IRONICALLY the quality of education in public schools is enhanced by the existence of Private schools, due to the fact that the Govt has more Education dollars in its budget. Huh

Watch the poverty-mindset lefties absolutely disagree with everything you say and provide absolutely no proof to support it.

Did you see any proof that private schools save the govt. money? Or do you deliberately strive for hypocrisy with each and every comment?

That private schools saves the government enormous sums of money is not up for dispute except by the crazy left and loons like yourself. The argument is so simple even you could follow it. And here it is: the government provides 30% LESS per private student than public student. Now explain why spending less is actually spending more. I am sure you will find a way.

so no proof then? Cheesy

thanks for playing

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Reply #73 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:11pm

private schools do not recieve as much taxpayer money per student as public schools,

this fact is indisputable.

a grade 1 student in a private school can therefore do the maths and state that private schools save the government money.

a grade 3 student in a public school can also do the maths and say that private schools save the government money

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Reply #74 - Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

private schools do not recieve as much taxpayer money per student as public schools,

this fact is indisputable.

a grade 1 student in a private school can therefore do the maths and state that private schools save the government money.

a grade 3 student in a public school can also do the maths and say that private schools save the government money

But John Smith cannot. A better advertisement for private schooling could not be found other then the publicly schooled JS.

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