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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #45 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Fortunately AGW researchers are not being compelled to delve into the humidity saturated crotches of denialists lee and Maria Costel. Expose yourselves to air and light and your problems may evaporate from the heat; or

Grow mushrooms in your underwear.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #46 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Australia wilting under the heat Reply #47 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:30pm Wilting under the heat am I? No..... my gas fire as definitely on low as the 38 degree days gave way to successive 15 tops in the Mountains.
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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #48 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #49 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

Taxpayers.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #50 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:31pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

Perhaps you should do some research on Shukla and the RICO 20.

Prof Shukla is a tenured professor at George Mason University. He got a petition, signed by 20, to attempt to have climate deniers charged under the US RICO Act, which is aimed at organised crime.

Apparently he also set up an organisation and got funding in excess of $4m. For this the funding the organisation got one paper and Professor Shukla funded himself and family, apparently against University rules. I saw a figure of $800k for family salaries, in one year.

He has apparently now pulled the letter from his website, but perhaps too late.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #51 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

No I mean the fossil fuel industry who pay millions of dollars to bodgie scientists, fakes and socks to disseminate misinformation about climate change so that they (the fossil fuel industry) can continue to cause global warming and protect their trillion dollar industry. You know, the people whose misinformation you choose to believe even though anyone with the slightest bit of common sense and who genuinely cared about the truth of the matter instead of their ideological beliefs would dismiss out of hand

Which leads me to ask you, what research have you done on the amount of money the fossil fuel industry has spent on discrediting the AGW science (instead of researching the science) and what conclusions have you come to in determining that their claims can be reliably parroted by you? In particular could you explain how you have overcome any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement even though they were the same people who for years told us that smoking did not cause lung cancer.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #52 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement

You mean like Peter Gleick, who posed as a member of Heartland and stole documents? The one when he couldn't find any "smoking gun", manufactured documents? The one who was severely castigated for his role in this, that he was made president of Pacific Institute.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #53 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:37pm

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:31pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

Perhaps you should do some research on Shukla and the RICO 20.

Prof Shukla is a tenured professor at George Mason University. He got a petition, signed by 20, to attempt to have climate deniers charged under the US RICO Act, which is aimed at organised crime.

Apparently he also set up an organisation and got funding in excess of $4m. For this the funding the organisation got one paper and Professor Shukla funded himself and family, apparently against University rules. I saw a figure of $800k for family salaries, in one year.

He has apparently now pulled the letter from his website, but perhaps too late.

So what exactly are you saying this guy has done wrong??? He called on the President to to have climate change deniers charged under the RICO Act. Good move. There's certainly precedent for it. You see it works like this., when you KNOWINGLY lie to people whereby they cause themselves harm as a consequence, you should be punished. In fact the tobacco giant Phillp Morris was rightly coped under RICO for their despicable lying for all those years about no health risks from smoking. Here's what happened:-

On August 17, 2006 Judge Kessler issued a 1,683 page opinion holding the tobacco companies liable for violating RICO by fraudulently covering up the health risks associated with smoking and for marketing their products to children. “As set forth in these Final Proposed Findings of Fact, substantial evidence establishes that Defendants have engaged in and executed – and continue to engage in and execute – a massive 50-year scheme to defraud the public, including consumers of cigarettes, in violation of RICO.”

The tobacco companies filed an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals. The court granted the motion, and on May 22, 2009 the three-judge panel unanimously upheld Judge Kessler’s decision finding the tobacco companies liable. The court upheld most of the ordered remedies, but denied additional remedies sought by public health interveners and the Department of Justice. The court also found that the First Amendment does not protect fraudulent statements, stating that “Defendants knew of their falsity at the time and made the statements with the intent to deceive. Thus, we are not dealing with accidental falsehoods, or sincere attempts to persuade.” The court dismissed the defendants’ argument that their statements were protected by the First Amendment.

As to the other part of your post, you engage in the usual denialist tactic of dirtying the scientists based on what? Well your allegations are based on apparently this and apparently that. I have highlighted all the apparently's for you. But again you don't care that any of what you said is wrong conduct or true just as long as by alleging your BS mud sticks to the guy. Your scum!!!!

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107042 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia wilting under the heat Reply #55 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:35pm It's only 13 degrees in Melbourne right now. I am wearing 2 jumpers & a beanie. It will get even colder overnight. It will be only 6 degrees in Hobart tonight: http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml?ref=hdr
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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #56 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:45pm

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement

You mean like Peter Gleick, who posed as a member of Heartland and stole documents? The one when he couldn't find any "smoking gun", manufactured documents? The one who was severely castigated for his role in this, that he was made president of Pacific Institute.

This is what actually happened as reported by wikipedia, instead of your denialist websites;

" On February 20, 2012, Gleick announced he was responsible for the unauthorized distribution of documents from The Heartland Institute in mid-February. Gleick claimed he had received "an anonymous document in the mail describing what appeared to be details of the Heartland Institute's climate program strategy", and in trying to verify the authenticity of the document, had "solicited and received additional materials directly from the Heartland Institute under someone else's name". Responding to the leak, The Heartland Institute said one of the documents released, a two-page 'Strategy Memo', had been forged. Gleick denied forging the document. Gleick described his actions as "a serious lapse of my own and professional judgment and ethics" and said that he "deeply regret[ted his] own actions in this case" and "offer[ed his] personal apologies to all those affected".

So lets see now. Your saying that that incident justifies you not researching the huge expenditure of money by the fossil fuel industry and the so called "Institutes" they hire to discredit the AGW science (rather then research the science) and ignore the conflict of interest when you digest and disseminate the claims they make.

Now I have asked you this repeatedly and you have refused to answer repeatedly but why dont you tell us, what research you have done to ensure that the denialist claims you reproduce here are not sourced from sites tainted by the fossil fuel industry/Koch brothers money and what if any are your reasons for not being concerned about that. I note in particular you expressed concern about the poor old Heartland institute. Are you aware of their previous record in trying to convince the world that smoking is not bad for your health and if so can you explain why their heavy involvement in the denialist movement does not concern you and why you would reproduce any of their materials or claims on this forum.

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Re: Australia wilting under the heat
Reply #57 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

It's only 13 degrees in Melbourne right now.
I am wearing 2 jumpers & a beanie.

It will get even colder overnight.

It will be only 6 degrees in Hobart tonight:

http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml?ref=hdr

Yes Bobby, I was burning up 2 days ago to the point that I could not sleep and the following day it was cold. So what?

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Reply #58 - Oct 9^th, 2015 at 11:57am

Well, let's see what happens, if we get an El Nino event similar, if not worse than, the last big one, back in 1998?

Bearing in mind, some of what has happened since 1998 is right up there in the "record books", then if the current El Nino is similar or worse, we may well be in for some "more records", some of which may not be all that desirable?

I, for one, suspect that may be likely!

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Reply #59 - Oct 9^th, 2015 at 5:27pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

This is what actually happened as reported by wikipedia, instead of your denialist websites;

Gee, he was cleared by his own team. Not a formal investigation. I mean you can't get better than that can you?

'The Pacific Institute indicated in the statement that it had found no evidence for Heartland's charges that Gleick had forged one of several documents he released last February.

But the Institute offered no further information on the findings of the investigation, or any evidence to support the claim of having conducted a fully independent investigation. It gave no further explanation for its decision to reject Heartland's charges that Gleick had faked a document.'

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/07/peter-gleick-reinstated-heart...

'Gleick also admitted to lying about the nature of one document he originally claimed had come from Heartland, a ‘strategy memo’ that purported to describe Heartland’s plans to address climate change in the coming year. That document was quickly shown to be a fake, written to misrepresent and defame The Heartland Institute. Gleick denied he was the author of the fake memo.'

https://www.heartland.org/press-releases/2013/02/14/why-isnt-pacific-institutes-...

What a prince, he claims he wasn't the author, but he had already admitted there was no insider, that it was actually he, who took documents.

Forensic study into the fake memo -

'The lead analysis was conducted by Patrick Juola, Ph.D., Director of Research, and director of the Evaluating Variations in Language Laboratory at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh. Juola & Associates, headed by President Patrick Brennan is a separate commercial entity that provides analysis and consultation on stylometry.

Dr. Juola has published his analysis of the “Climate Strategy Memo,” which I present first and in entirety here at WUWT.

First, the short read:

Stylometric Report – Heartland Institute Memo
Patrick Juola, Ph.D.
Summary
As an expert in computational and forensic linguistics, I have reviewed the alleged Heartland memo to determine who the primary author of the report is, and more speci fically whether the primary author was Peter Gleick or Joseph Bast. I conclude, based on a computational analysis, that the author is more likely to be Gleick than Bast.'

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/14/professional-forensic-stylometric-analysis...

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