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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18069 Gender:	Re: Tesla Reply #105 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:24pm Johnsmith wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 11:22am: i can get an electrician to put 3 phase power in my place for about $300 ... your point? Only if you have 3 phase to start with. And there are various current capacities of 3 phase.
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Reply #106 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

If I had my choice, I would buy a Tesla. I don't, but it is likely that person of my socio-economic status would not have been able to buy a Model T Ford in 1910. That didn't stop Ford changing the way we get around. Criticisms of Tesla look like nit-picking to me.

From what I understand it is a great car. That's not the point. It is unaffordable by the vast majority of people and it compares unfavourably with a mid-sized family car in almost every aspect other than performance which for a family car is relatively unimportant. I grant it looks rather nice. But it is still $100,000 and it is still not much use for outback travel with vast distances involved. IN a city though it would be superb. Make it the price of a Camry and I will buy one!

For some reason, nail takes offence at pointing out its unaffordability.

There's plenty of unaffordable cars depending on who you are so what is your point ? It's all relative to a persons financial situation.

If Tesla can run a profitable business selling "unaffordable" cars then that is infinitely better than Ford and Holden going out of business trying to sell "affordable" cars !!

Have you priced a BMW lately. Even their cheapest offerings are unaffordable by most peoples standards and yet they still sell here !!

Ferrari run a profitable business too. I don't see you telling everyone how great their cars are for the family.

And they have been in business for decades selling unaffordable cars so WTF is your point ??

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Reply #107 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

lee wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

i can get an electrician to put 3 phase power in my place for about $300 ... your point?

Only if you have 3 phase to start with. And there are various current capacities of 3 phase.

You don't need 3-phase power for a slow 8 hour charge because usually people sleep at night unless they are insomniacs like longloser aka maria who drive 24 hours a day !!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18069 Gender:	Re: Tesla Reply #108 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 2:11pm Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:29pm: You don't need 3-phase power for a slow 8 hour charge because usually people sleep at night unless they are insomniacs like longloser aka maria who drive 24 hours a day !! 380km in 24 hours? 380km in 4 hours, sleep the day away.
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Reply #109 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 5:10pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 7:14am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Wolseley wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

Wolseley wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Would they be any use for long country trips though? Their range would seem to restrict them to shorter runs.

I believe, just of the top of my head so I may be wrong, that they have a range of 300km. That's far enough for what the majority of the population drives in a day.

I'll be driving to Dubbo and back later this month. According to the Tesla website, they have three "supercharging stations, where you can recharge the car in 75 minutes (which, believe it or not, is quick) in NSW, two in Sydney and one in Goulburn. Not much use for a trip to Dubbo....

I agree, and the shortage of charging stations is one of the reasons people are less likely to buy one. But that problem will resolve itself as more and more people put in charging stations. I don't think it'll take long for every roadside diner to put in charge stations. Customer pulls in to charge, has 75 mins to wait, why not grab a meal. ... it makes good business sense

The business case still has to apply. If you want to charge the car in 75mins you need an 80Kw/hr connection. You assume that your roadside diner has that power to spare or the thousands of dollars to put one in in the first place on the off-chance a Tesla will drive past wanting a hamburger. The economies of scale will prohibit this for a very long time. And imagine if three teslas roll up at once and you can only charge one at a time. That's 5 hours waiting. And imagine you can only get a 40kw/hr charge. Suddenly that's ten hours.

It is a more complex equation than you think.

gee, imagine the costs of installing a few power points compared to the costs involved in building a petrol station .... my gosh, how will they ever do it! Cheesy

Its not a 10amp plug. it is a special 3-phase power setup for 80Kw/hr not the 2 Kw/hr of a standard plug.

and? .. i can get an electrician to put 3 phase power in my place for about $300 ... your point?

And then the wiring and then you actually need to pay for the power. And are you going to provide a place for the recharging station - which you still have to pay for since it is DC power and a complete charging station. And then, how many Teslas are you going to get to drop in out there in outback NSW or regional... anywhere? One a year, maybe two?

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Reply #110 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

lee wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

i can get an electrician to put 3 phase power in my place for about $300 ... your point?

Only if you have 3 phase to start with. And there are various current capacities of 3 phase.

You don't need 3-phase power for a slow 8 hour charge because usually people sleep at night unless they are insomniacs like longloser aka maria who drive 24 hours a day !!

You should try some electrical engineering maths before you waffle. If it is a 90Kw/hr Tesla then to charge it in 8 hours requires a 11.1Kwhr connection. Most houses would struggle to provide that on single phase power unless they wanted the rest of the house to be largely unpowered or risk blow fuses. That means three-phase power.

And as Lee said, a 380Km range is less than 4 hours travelling. And you assume your destination has a decent supply. If you are limited to a 2400W standard plug it takes 36 hours.

In the meantime, my Camry has driven the width of the country while you are tethered to your BigW extension cord.

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Reply #111 - Oct 16^th, 2015 at 7:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: