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Reply #240 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

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How exactly is this practical? Sure it works as a concept, and yes it works if one bloke in the street has a battery swapping car. But if everyone had one of these it would be impossible to have enough stations able to keep up with need. This fast swap is only looking at one part of the recharging process. It is ignoring all the behind the scenes work that would make it impossible to use if everyone had one of these battery swapping EVs.

Always use the lame argument "If everyone had one". Well I don't see everyone having one for a start. And if the demand grows so will the capacity to provide recharges and battery swaps.

When the first fossil fool vehicles came out were there petrol stations everywhere ?

You totally ignored my argument. This inst about how many stations are available now, this is about how these stations would work when need for them increases.

The issue is that this process looks simple and smart on the surface, but only as along as there are a few cars using it. If this was to become mainstream it would create an impossible situation of literally millions of batteries being stored and charged every day around the country.

This is totally the opposite to petrol. The more petrol cars the cheaper and easier it became to refuel them. The more battery swapping EV's on the road the harder it gets to keep batteries available. A normal small petrol station takes up one home block of land, and only needs one employee working at any one time. A EV battery swapping station would require a massive facility to store all the batteries on charge, and would require dozens of employees to keep the facility running. It would also not be able to just plug into the local power grid as the energy drain would be massive. How is this practical?

It wouldn't be used everyday but rather as a backup in an emergency. Most people will use the super chargers as these are free and it doesn't take long to get you a top-up for the distance you need.

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Reply #241 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Another one of longloser's aka maria's failed predictions of never being able to recharge an electric car faster than filling up a fossil fool car. Battery swap technology has made this possible of course but here's actual proof of recharging two Tesla cars in less time than it takes to fill up a fossil fool car !! And to top it off maria wants to get involved with innovation Cheesy

LOL

even a fool like you should be able to tell the difference between RECHARGING and SWAPPING a battery. or are you really that much of a drongo?

bought a tesla yet, liar-nail?

and you said the wait was the reason that nobody would buy EV's. You didn't count on Tesla providing the recharges for nothing did you, you f.ucking idiot.

bought one yourself yet poverty-nail?

of course not.

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Reply #242 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Quantum wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

[quote author=thelastnail link=1444619122/231#231 date=1450311983]

How exactly is this practical? Sure it works as a concept, and yes it works if one bloke in the street has a battery swapping car. But if everyone had one of these it would be impossible to have enough stations able to keep up with need. This fast swap is only looking at one part of the recharging process. It is ignoring all the behind the scenes work that would make it impossible to use if everyone had one of these battery swapping EVs.

Always use the lame argument "If everyone had one". Well I don't see everyone having one for a start. And if the demand grows so will the capacity to provide recharges and battery swaps.

When the first fossil fool vehicles came out were there petrol stations everywhere ?

You totally ignored my argument. This inst about how many stations are available now, this is about how these stations would work when need for them increases.

The issue is that this process looks simple and smart on the surface, but only as along as there are a few cars using it. If this was to become mainstream it would create an impossible situation of literally millions of batteries being stored and charged every day around the country.

This is totally the opposite to petrol. The more petrol cars the cheaper and easier it became to refuel them. The more battery swapping EV's on the road the harder it gets to keep batteries available. A normal small petrol station takes up one home block of land, and only needs one employee working at any one time. A EV battery swapping station would require a massive facility to store all the batteries on charge, and would require dozens of employees to keep the facility running. It would also not be able to just plug into the local power grid as the energy drain would be massive. How is this practical?

It wouldn't be used everyday but rather as a backup in an emergency. Most people will use the super chargers as these are free and it doesn't take long to get you a top-up for the distance you need.

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

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Reply #243 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

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Reply #244 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

Tesla is just a step in electric car development. Lower cost and higher stored energy cars will emerge.

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Reply #245 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

Tesla is just a step in electric car development. Lower cost and higher stored energy cars will emerge.

of course

they are the beginning, not the end result.

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Reply #246 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

I recently drove from Sydney to Dubbo and back (with a bit of additional driving around Dubbo and Orange) without refuelling and I still had a quarter of a tank of petrol when I got home - in a car about the third of the cost of the base model S.

I am not denying that electric cars are probably going to be the cars of the future, but we're not there yet.

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Reply #247 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:42pm

Wolseley wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

I recently drove from Sydney to Dubbo and back (with a bit of additional driving around Dubbo and Orange) without refuelling and I still had a quarter of a tank of petrol when I got home - in a car about the third of the cost of the base model S.

I am not denying that electric cars are probably going to be the cars of the future, but we're not there yet.

Do you do it often? I've driven around Australia and have driven back and forth to WA to see the family. Other than that... 400km is more than enough range for me.

I don't know the figures but something to consider on the refuelling/recharging is that not everyone(most people even?) fills their cars when they visit a servo. I certainly don't. If every car had to leave fully laden with fuel there would be far less visits to the servo. With petrol it makes sense not to fill up if you are not going to use it all. It costs money to transport and goes off. Electricity does neither so full charges and less pit stops would then make sense.

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Reply #248 - Dec 26^th, 2015 at 11:00pm

Wolseley wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

I recently drove from Sydney to Dubbo and back (with a bit of additional driving around Dubbo and Orange) without refuelling and I still had a quarter of a tank of petrol when I got home - in a car about the third of the cost of the base model S.

I am not denying that electric cars are probably going to be the cars of the future, but we're not there yet.

It obviously won't suit those that have to drive Dubbo to Sydney . And lets not forget that most homes these days have multiple cars.

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Reply #249 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Another one of longloser's aka maria's failed predictions of never being able to recharge an electric car faster than filling up a fossil fool car. Battery swap technology has made this possible of course but here's actual proof of recharging two Tesla cars in less time than it takes to fill up a fossil fool car !! And to top it off maria wants to get involved with innovation Cheesy

LOL

even a fool like you should be able to tell the difference between RECHARGING and SWAPPING a battery. or are you really that much of a drongo?

bought a tesla yet, liar-nail?

and you said the wait was the reason that nobody would buy EV's. You didn't count on Tesla providing the recharges for nothing did you, you f.ucking idiot.

bought one yourself yet poverty-nail?

of course not.

Is that your best comeback after all of these years of your failed prediction and rhetoric against EV's ?

You really are quite pathetic you Ford dickhead !!

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Reply #250 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Wolseley wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

I recently drove from Sydney to Dubbo and back (with a bit of additional driving around Dubbo and Orange) without refuelling and I still had a quarter of a tank of petrol when I got home - in a car about the third of the cost of the base model S.

I am not denying that electric cars are probably going to be the cars of the future, but we're not there yet.

We are getting very close though Wink

According to the dude at Tesla showroom in Chadstone Vic he told me that there are already enough super charging stations between Melb and Sydney to make the journey without running out of juice Wink

Tesla is expanding its operations world wide whereas Holden and Ford are closing down here. They took tens of billions from us under false pretenses Sad

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Reply #251 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

Tesla is just a step in electric car development. Lower cost and higher stored energy cars will emerge.

It's a step that no fossil fool car maker was willing to take !! It required a new breed of car maker that was not tied in anyway to the oil industry to make it happen !!

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Reply #253 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Wolseley wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

unless you want to go a good distance and you cant supercharge at your destination - pretty much everywhere!

tesla isn't catering to ALL markets you idiot.... you don't claim BMW will go broke because you can't drive it off road, do you?

Tesla will initially appeal to those driving mostly to work and back, plus a little shopping in between. It won't appeal to everyone. As technology improves and it's technology enables it to do more, it's market will broaden. The model T Ford didn't suit everyone when it first came out. Didn't mean Ford went bust now did it?

I recently drove from Sydney to Dubbo and back (with a bit of additional driving around Dubbo and Orange) without refuelling and I still had a quarter of a tank of petrol when I got home - in a car about the third of the cost of the base model S.

I am not denying that electric cars are probably going to be the cars of the future, but we're not there yet.

Do you do it often? I've driven around Australia and have driven back and forth to WA to see the family. Other than that... 400km is more than enough range for me.

I don't know the figures but something to consider on the refuelling/recharging is that not everyone(most people even?) fills their cars when they visit a servo. I certainly don't. If every car had to leave fully laden with fuel there would be far less visits to the servo. With petrol it makes sense not to fill up if you are not going to use it all. It costs money to transport and goes off. Electricity does neither so full charges and less pit stops would then make sense.

you never drive more than 400km in a day? and where are you goign to receharge a Tesla anywhere outside the Cities? that 80Kw/hr battery takes 40 hours on a standard plug - which is all you are going to get in many places. drive for 4 hours, stop for two days isnt very viable.

as woslely said... EVs willl get here eventually but for now, they have major range limitations and recharge times.

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Reply #254 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Another one of longloser's aka maria's failed predictions of never being able to recharge an electric car faster than filling up a fossil fool car. Battery swap technology has made this possible of course but here's actual proof of recharging two Tesla cars in less time than it takes to fill up a fossil fool car !! And to top it off maria wants to get involved with innovation Cheesy

LOL

even a fool like you should be able to tell the difference between RECHARGING and SWAPPING a battery. or are you really that much of a drongo?

bought a tesla yet, liar-nail?

and you said the wait was the reason that nobody would buy EV's. You didn't count on Tesla providing the recharges for nothing did you, you f.ucking idiot.

bought one yourself yet poverty-nail?

of course not.

Is that your best comeback after all of these years of your failed prediction and rhetoric against EV's ?

You really are quite pathetic you Ford dickhead !!

what failed predictions, renter-nail? There are still virtually no EVs on the road and none of them other than the Tesla have anything better than pitiful range. and the tesla is still limited. and they are all very expensive.

I predicted thet they would take off when they became viable for the bulk of the population. at the moment, they are not.

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