I've tried asking you this in a few other topics on your forum...but it hasn't been answered.

Who, in your opinion, is behind the radicalization process of our youth here in Oz?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:



So, young [and not so young] moslems who become 'radicalised', have been led astray, away from the proper path of their faith, by persons of bad influence [whom they have come into contact with] ?



And you would argue that the 'radicalisation' of young moslems [as far as you are concerned], has got nothing at all to do with young [and not so young] moslems being influenced by the ideas of moslem supremacism [an aim to be achieved through warfare], being promoted from factors within ISLAM, such as;

1/ Allah,
2/ ISLAM,
3/ the behaviour and urgings attributed to Mohammed [within ISLAM's foundation religious texts],
the influence and urgings we see within the content of,
4/ the Koran,
5/ the Hadith.

????


e.g.
A religious text like the Koran [its contents, which urges Jihad in Allah's cause], would have a 'mute' influence upon your average moslem who attends mosque ?

That is your argument ?



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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:




Lisa - please bear in mind that delinquency that leads to self-serving criminality is in a whole different ball park than those whose Islamic religious upbringing prepares them for suicide bombing and genocidal intentions.

Dear O dear O dear, gandalf is such a slippery character. Keep on your toes when you're reading his replies. Don't let him slip any specious nonsense past you.

(synonyms:      misleading, deceptive, false, fallacious, unsound, spurious, casuistic, sophistic.

superficially plausible, but actually wrong).

Be Safe - Be Cynical.

You may now proceed to read gandalf's latest offerings.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:


That's strange, Herbie. You've been caught out a number of times. Who could forget the great Muslim online library book racket? Who could forget the Health Department mail-out to Muslim doctors? Who could forget the number of misleading, deceptive, false, fallacious, unsound, spurious, casuistic and sophistic claims you've made? Some, you've openly confessed to making up.

Has G been caught out as many times as you, or is he just too clever to be caught?

As ever, I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

When was the last non-Muslim 15 year old walking up to an unsuspecting stranger and shoot him the back of the head?

Just so we're clear that young muslims are the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering on the basis of Islamic religious fanaticism.

Get your disclaimers right, Gandy.

Yadda wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:



gandalf,

QUESTION;
Is there something in the water over there, .....

.....which causes the 'radicalisation' of the people who drink it ???



Could that be a cause of the 'radicalisation' of moslems, perhaps ????

Are the radical moslems

"....in places like Syria and Iraq."

,        sneaking water into Australia, which when drunk by young moslems,      causes the 'radicalisation' of those young moslems here in Australia, perhaps ????






Could i be onto something ?         




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Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:


This is at the heart of the problem around the anti-Islam argument.

Islam is the excuse, its not the problem - as one freediver so eloquently put it in 2007. 20-30 years ago the bandwagon you lot were jumping on were Vietnamese kids in Cabramatta joining the triads and choosing a path of drug dealing and murder. Today, kids from all across the disadvantaged spectrum of society - aborigines, Islanders, even white kids - choose a path of crime and inflicting suffering on others, whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc. Even the Lebanese kids who are now being radicalised were part of this non-Islamic drug-trading, gang-murdering criminal sect - before radical Islam appeared on the street.

Has the issue of innocents suffering and being murdered by disaffected youth only begun with the emergence of radical Islam on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne? Of course it hasn't. Has the problem to society become worse with the emergence of radical Islam? No it has not.

Your predictable retort that only these crimes such as the Parammatta shootings are done in the name of Islam is utterly irrelevant, unless you can prove that this particular phenomenon represents a quantifiable increased threat to innocents on the streets. But you can't because it hasn't. Innocents were the victims of non-Islamic criminal activity before, and they will continue to be so. There are not more innocents dying on our streets just because a handful of disaffected youth turn to Islamic-inspired crime as opposed to (say) bikie-gang crime. The only point you will succeed in making is that somehow its worse because an ever-so-small number of innocents are now dying at the hands of Islamist criminals instead of at the hands of other non-Islamic criminals.

Do you think the families of Victor Chang or John Newman take comfort in that logic?

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...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).