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Re: Gandalf...got another question for you.
Reply #15 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Hi Lisa, thanks for the question and sorry I didn't respond before.

By 'radicalization ... of our youth', I will assume you are talking about muslims, and not say white kids joining neo-nazis or bikie gangs or triad gangs etc - who then go and murder and rape and trade in drugs to destroy other people's lives. Just so we're clear that young muslims are not the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering.

So of this tiny subset of disaffected youth who decide its appropriate to cause suffering in society, ie muslim radicals...

from my understanding, its orchestrated from overseas in places like Syria and Iraq. They firstly pick some useful idiots in Australia to "spread the word" as it were amongst potential recruits. Importantly, it seems its not the case that these "vulnerable" youths are being targeted and "groomed" like pedophile rings groom children (as is commonly portrayed), its very much a case of these youths actively seeking extremist groups from the get-go. They are not innocent victims in this, they know what they are doing.

When was the last non-Muslim 15 year old walking up to an unsuspecting stranger and shoot him the back of the head?

Just so we're clear that young muslims are the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering on the basis of Islamic religious fanaticism.

Get your disclaimers right, Gandy.

This is at the heart of the problem around the anti-Islam argument.

Islam is the excuse, its not the problem

What self-serving load of bollocks, Gandy -c to be expected, of course.

Nobody, absolutely nobody uses the Sisters of Mercy as an excuse to behead people who do not go along with the creed of the Sisters. The Sisters of Mercy cannot, ever, be used as an excuse for violence. Unlike Islam.

Islam is made for violent fanatics in a way few other creeds are. You want to shift attention from it but you cannot.

Not to mention only one group deserves their own crime squad.

The Middle Easturd Crime Squad. 99% of all offenders IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: Gandalf...got another question for you.
Reply #16 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

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whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

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Reply #17 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Hi Lisa, thanks for the question and sorry I didn't respond before.

By 'radicalization ... of our youth', I will assume you are talking about muslims, and not say white kids joining neo-nazis or bikie gangs or triad gangs etc - who then go and murder and rape and trade in drugs to destroy other people's lives. Just so we're clear that young muslims are not the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering.

So of this tiny subset of disaffected youth who decide its appropriate to cause suffering in society, ie muslim radicals...

from my understanding, its orchestrated from overseas in places like Syria and Iraq. They firstly pick some useful idiots in Australia to "spread the word" as it were amongst potential recruits. Importantly, it seems its not the case that these "vulnerable" youths are being targeted and "groomed" like pedophile rings groom children (as is commonly portrayed), its very much a case of these youths actively seeking extremist groups from the get-go. They are not innocent victims in this, they know what they are doing.

When was the last non-Muslim 15 year old walking up to an unsuspecting stranger and shoot him the back of the head?

Just so we're clear that young muslims are the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering on the basis of Islamic religious fanaticism.

Get your disclaimers right, Gandy.

This is at the heart of the problem around the anti-Islam argument.

Islam is the excuse, its not the problem

What self-serving load of bollocks, Gandy -c to be expected, of course.

Nobody, absolutely nobody uses the Sisters of Mercy as an excuse to behead people who do not go along with the creed of the Sisters. The Sisters of Mercy cannot, ever, be used as an excuse for violence. Unlike Islam.

Islam is made for violent fanatics in a way few other creeds are. You want to shift attention from it but you cannot.

I blame the Green Crescent.

Ban.them.

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Re: Gandalf...got another question for you.
Reply #18 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

Soren wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Hi Lisa, thanks for the question and sorry I didn't respond before.

By 'radicalization ... of our youth', I will assume you are talking about muslims, and not say white kids joining neo-nazis or bikie gangs or triad gangs etc - who then go and murder and rape and trade in drugs to destroy other people's lives. Just so we're clear that young muslims are not the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering.

So of this tiny subset of disaffected youth who decide its appropriate to cause suffering in society, ie muslim radicals...

from my understanding, its orchestrated from overseas in places like Syria and Iraq. They firstly pick some useful idiots in Australia to "spread the word" as it were amongst potential recruits. Importantly, it seems its not the case that these "vulnerable" youths are being targeted and "groomed" like pedophile rings groom children (as is commonly portrayed), its very much a case of these youths actively seeking extremist groups from the get-go. They are not innocent victims in this, they know what they are doing.

When was the last non-Muslim 15 year old walking up to an unsuspecting stranger and shoot him the back of the head?

Just so we're clear that young muslims are the only youth in society that are choosing a path that leads to murder and suffering on the basis of Islamic religious fanaticism.

Get your disclaimers right, Gandy.

This is at the heart of the problem around the anti-Islam argument.

Islam is the excuse, its not the problem

What self-serving load of bollocks, Gandy -c to be expected, of course.

Nobody, absolutely nobody uses the Sisters of Mercy as an excuse to behead people who do not go along with the creed of the Sisters. The Sisters of Mercy cannot, ever, be used as an excuse for violence. Unlike Islam.

Islam is made for violent fanatics in a way few other creeds are. You want to shift attention from it but you cannot.

So true, islam makes muslims always draw the short straw when it comes to intellect.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: Gandalf...got another question for you.
Reply #19 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:16am

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

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whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

FD was literally making the exact same argument of mine about Islam being the excuse, not the cause.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #20 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:37am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:16am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

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whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

FD was literally making the exact same argument of mine about Islam being the excuse, not the cause.

Unbelievable. Spineless apologist.

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Reply #21 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:52am

Karnal wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:37am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:16am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

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whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

FD was literally making the exact same argument of mine about Islam being the excuse, not the cause.

Unbelievable. Spineless apologist.

Oi you lol...whatever you do today....do NOT stalk/troll/flame Maria.

Just don't do it. Ok?

Be a good boy Tongue

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Re: Gandalf...got another question for you.
Reply #22 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am

Karnal wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:37am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:16am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Quote:

whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

FD was literally making the exact same argument of mine about Islam being the excuse, not the cause.

Unbelievable. Spineless apologist.

State the bleedin obvious next time.

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Reply #23 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 3:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:16am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

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whether its drug gangs destroying countless of lives with their trade, wife and children abusers or rapists etc etc

...Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (again).

Ee-gad, you’ve come full circle. The 2007 FD has turned into a parody of Sprint.

FD was literally making the exact same argument of mine about Islam being the excuse, not the cause.

Take a look in the Koran, you moron.

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Reply #24 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm

Good point Issue - such as these...

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By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

(5:16)

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Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things

(2:256)

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The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, “Peace!”

(25:63)

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Gandalf...got another question for you. Reply #25 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm Does anyone else see the irony in lifeordeath's posting here? Guess s/he can't follow her/his own advice... (See their sig).
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Reply #26 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 6:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Good point Issue - such as these...

Quote:

By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

(5:16)

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Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things

(2:256)

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The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, “Peace!”

(25:63)

Mohammed said these things before he was laughed out of court.

Afterwards, when he was in a position of power, he changed his tune.

Evidence, if any more was needed, that the Koran is really nothing more than stuff Mohammed made up to suit his political fortunes.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95238 Gender:	Re: Gandalf...got another question for you. Reply #27 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:03pm Looks like you can’t win, G. Muhammed didn’t mean all the nice things he said, but he meant everything else the old boy says. Always absolutely never ever, innit.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95238 Gender:	Re: Gandalf...got another question for you. Reply #28 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:04pm Looks like you can’t win, G. Muhammed didn’t mean all the nice things he said, but he meant everything else the old boy says. Always absolutely never ever, innit.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Gandalf...got another question for you. Reply #29 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:14pm Quote: Mohammed said these things before he was laughed out of court. Would you mind elaborating on this please Soren?
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