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Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:06am

Back in 1996 our hoplophobic PM banned semi auto rifles for recreational hunters.

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Table 4, deaths by firearm type
Military firearms.
1991- 4 deaths
1992- 9 deaths
1993- 6 deaths
1994- 4 deaths
1995-1 death
1996- 38 deaths (Bryant never held a firearms licence)
Gun Laws imposed
1997- 2 deaths
1998- 0
1999- 4 deaths
2000- 1 death
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi269.pdf

Did we ban the type of guns that caused the least amount of deaths in Australia?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #1 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:51am Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:06am: Back in 1996 our hoplophobic PM banned semi auto rifles for recreational hunters. Excellent.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58161 Here Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #2 - Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:16pm In 12 years Mr Howard did do 1 very good thing, maybe 2 but I forgot the other one.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #3 - Oct 14^th, 2015 at 10:37pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:16pm: In 12 years Mr Howard did do 1 very good thing, maybe 2 but I forgot the other one. He fixed Timor Leste. The only other useful thing he accomplished, despite the US.
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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #4 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 12:56pm

The figures show military style firearms accounted for about 1% of all firearm deaths in Australia before they were heavily restricted, firearm deaths include suicides which have males over 65 with the highest demographic.

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An analysis of the licensing and registration status of firearms used in homicide between 1 July 1997 and 30 June 1999 reveals that the overwhelming majority of these firearms were not registered and the offenders of homicides were not licensed firearm owners. (figure 6)

Of the 117 homicide offenders who used firearms to commit homicide, only 11 (9.4%) homicide offenders were licensed firearm owners with registered firearms.
In other words,licensed firearm owners were not responsible for the majority of firearms related homicides.

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www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi151.pdf

In 2007-2008 the AIC stated-
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-Firearm involvement in homicide increased slightly (12%, up from 9% in the previous year), however firearm involvement still remains at historical lows.
The majority of firearms used in homicides were unregistered and/or unlicensed.
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/mr/mr13/mr13.pdf

The Australian Institute Of Criminology has stated the majority of firearm homicides are done by unlicensed people with unregistered firearms.

The 2 years of the first AIC study had 11 homicides done by licensed firearm owners and almost ten times more firearm homicides done by unlicensed people with unregistered firearms.

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #5 - Oct 27^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

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Gino and Mark Stocco are carrying an SKS semiautomatic rifle, similar to an AK47,and Police have urged the public not to approach them.
www.theaustralian.com.au/news/father-and-son-bandits-mark-and-gino-stocco-on-the...

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It is understood that six rounds were fired from a semi automatic rifle into Mr Bailey's front door.
www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/police-investigate-shooting-at-home-of-chief...

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Officers from Taskforce Maxima and the Australian Border force allegedly found the firearms- which included an Uzi type submachine gun....
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-19/two-men-arrested-police-allegedly-find-uzi-revolv...

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Friday ,23rd October 2015 10.45.53AM
Police appeal after firearms and ammunition found in bushland-Cecil hills
The firearms located were
-An SKS military assault rifle
-A sawn off .22 rifle
-A sawn off shotgun
-.22 cal pistol
www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

It's an offence to have a shortened or sawn off firearm, any shortened or sawn off firearm cannot be registered.

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #6 - Oct 29^th, 2015 at 8:42am

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As a result of the search warrants police seized 722 steroid tablets,14 vials of steroids,stolen power tools, a Ruger Model .22 calibre semi automatic rifle, a Springfield M14 semi automatic rifle and silencer, a pump action shotgun, a revolver and a Glock fully automatic handgun

www.mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2015/10/28/arrest-for-firearms-and-steroids-pacific...

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6991 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #7 - Oct 29^th, 2015 at 12:48pm I read the link, what ammo is illegal?
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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18303 Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #8 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:10am Mortdooley wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 12:48pm: what ammo is illegal? Ammo is illegal to possess if you don't have a firearm license.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74247 Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #9 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 1:46pm Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:10am: Mortdooley wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 12:48pm: what ammo is illegal? Ammo is illegal to possess if you don't have a firearm license. as is a used shell casing
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6991 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #10 - Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:46pm The more unreasonable laws become the more likely they are to be ignored! Sorry to see how excessive some of yours are.
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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #11 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:37am

A 1988 document by the Australian Institute of Criminology.

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Page 4
Prohibition of certain firearms and ammunition

Certain classes of firearms such as automatic and semi automatic can be fired rapidly,without reloading.
As such, they carry an even greater potential for inflicting harm than do single shot weapons.
Moreover,aside from use in limited circumstances by special groups such as farmers, they have no legitimate sporting or other purpose.
www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi010.pdf

Automatic firearms were banned over 50 years ago, can the AIC really be that ignorant.
The AIC were saying farmers have a legitimate use for semi autos in 1988, they are also ignorant of 3 gun contests that require semi autos for target shooting comps when they claim no legitimate sporting use.

The Qld government broke the 1996 NFA by allowing farmers to have semi auto centrefire rifles, they changed this several years ago and didn't announce it so hoplophobes wouldn't crap their pants, no mass shootings since they allowed landowners to have semi autos again.
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These types of licenses are restricted to 1 Category D licence per property and a maximum of 2 Category D weapons.
The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence.
www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplications/licences/fir...

So when are the other states going to follow Qld's lead and allow Primary producers to have their semi auto centrefires back?

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #12 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:26am

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides.

In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides.

2014 FBI stats for California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearm homicides= 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles which includes assault rifles = 40
Shotguns= 43
Hands/fists/feet= 97

Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/ta...

The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #13 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.
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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18303 Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #14 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:35am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am: So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good. Can you cite where I said that or did you pluck that from your ass Bumjack
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