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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #15 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:40am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am: So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good. Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear.
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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #16 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:43am

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.

Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear. Grin

I think the photo on the left was referring to his penis.

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Reply #17 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:45am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.

Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear. Grin

I think the photo on the left was referring to his penis.

Everything is about d1cks with you lot, why such a deep fascination?

Penis envy, maybe?

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #18 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:50am YEs, its tough having to wrap it round my upper thigh only twice.
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6991 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #19 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 2:20am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:50am: YEs, its tough having to wrap it round my upper thigh only twice. I actually knew of a man with your problem, the down side was that it didn't work except as a water spout!
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Reply #20 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:39am

ABS data on firearm type for gun deaths from 1980-1995

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Accidents- 283 deaths
Military style rifle- 5 deaths

Suicides- 5,487 deaths
Military style rifle- 52 deaths

Homicides- 813 deaths
Military style rifle- 27 deaths

Total proportion of Military firearm deaths 1980-1995= 1.3%
abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbytitle/9C85BD1298C075EACA2568A900139342?Op...

Semi auto military style rifles were responsible for just over 1% of all firearm deaths in the 15 years before they were banned, they were the least common type of firearm used in homicides,suicides and accidental deaths.

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Reply #21 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:37pm

Semi autos arn't banned. Only their capacity was limited. If a hunter can't take down their quarry in the first few shots, then they're doing it wrong.

The ban on high capacity, semi autos is justified, as it limits the potential for massacres, while still allowing the functionality for hunters and other legitimate uses.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21611 A cat with a view	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #22 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:53pm @ #21 boxy, You do not know what you are talking about.
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia Reply #23 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 9:11pm Really? I can get a license for numerous weapons that can shoot as fast as I can pull the trigger, for enough shots as it takes to take down anything out there. Why would I need more?
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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #24 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides.

In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides.

2014 FBI stats for California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearm homicides= 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles which includes assault rifles = 40
Shotguns= 43
Hands/fists/feet= 97

Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/ta...

The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

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Reply #25 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:21pm

ian wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides.

In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides.

2014 FBI stats for California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearm homicides= 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles which includes assault rifles = 40
Shotguns= 43
Hands/fists/feet= 97

Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/ta...

The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

What real relevance to the CAUSE of suicide deaths, are the availability of a firearm ???

What i'm getting at is that;    Anyone who is determined to commit suicide doesn't need a firearm to accomplish his/her desire.

And the principle CAUSE of suicide among human beings is a feeling of hopelessness [imo].

[I blame Karnal for that]

ARGUMENT;
Plenty of people die as a result of the use vehicles on our roads.    > 1,000 people per year die in Australia

We could [if we really, really wanted to] remove vehicles from our roads, to eliminate the carnage on our roads, but we are not willing to do that ?

And would seeking to remove all vehicles from our roads [to eliminate all road deaths, when we all know that presence of vehicles are a contributing factor to all road deaths],       ....be a logical and reasonable objective and aim ?

And in a similar way, removing the right of peaceable and law-abiding citizens from owning firearms, does not [will never] eliminate deaths from firearms in Australia.

Such a policy [disarming peaceable and law-abiding citizens] simply makes the community [i.e. all peaceable and law-abiding citizens] more vulnerable to the intentions of violent criminals.

Such a policy [though it may seem appealing], is dumb and illogical.

But hey;

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #26 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 6:11pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:21pm:

ARGUMENT;
Plenty of people die as a result of the use vehicles on our roads. > 1,000 people per year die in Australia

We could [if we really, really wanted to] remove vehicles from our roads, to eliminate the carnage on our roads, but we are not willing to do that ?

And would seeking to remove all vehicles from our roads [to eliminate all road deaths, when we all know that presence of vehicles are a contributing factor to all road deaths], ....be a logical and reasonable objective and aim ?

And in a similar way, removing the right of peaceable and law-abiding citizens from owning firearms, does not [will never] eliminate deaths from firearms in Australia.

Such a policy [disarming peaceable and law-abiding citizens] simply makes the community [i.e. all peaceable and law-abiding citizens] more vulnerable to the intentions of violent criminals.

Such a policy [though it may seem appealing], is dumb and illogical.

Should the Israelis disarm their school teachers [and other citizens of Israel], '.....because firearms are very dangerous' ???

QUESTION;
Would disarming Israeli teachers make Israeli children who attend Israeli schools safer ?

QUESTION;
Would disarming Israeli teachers make Israeli children who attend Israeli schools safer, .....when many, many 'Palestinians' who live within Israel proper, are quite prepared to act to kill Israeli children who attend Israeli schools ?

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Presumably this woman in the image above is an Israeli teacher.

She is holding an Uzi submachine gun.

Apparently, she has been competently trained in the safe use of firearms.

n.b. in the image above, her trigger finger is prominently, held away from the trigger.

One of the basics of firearm safety;
'When holding a firearm, don't place your finger on the trigger [or inside the trigger guard], until you intend to, and are ready to fire, at an intended target.'

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #27 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:21pm:

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What real relevance to the CAUSE of suicide deaths, are the availability of a firearm ???

What i'm getting at is that; Anyone who is determined to commit suicide doesn't need a firearm to accomplish his/her desire.

I wasnt the one who used homicide statistics as support for your argument. The same argument could be used for murder.

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Re: Banning semi autos,Pm Howard's hoplophobia
Reply #28 - Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 3:39pm

ian wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides.

In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides.

2014 FBI stats for California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearm homicides= 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles which includes assault rifles = 40
Shotguns= 43
Hands/fists/feet= 97

Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/ta...

The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

Suicide is a separate issue, I see the hoplophobes don't give a stuff about suicides that don't involve a gun they are very quiet about the 20,000 people who kill themselves without a firearm.
They say nothing about hanging which has become the most common method of suicide in Australia.

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Table 10 Deaths-
Accidental discharge of firearms = 505 deaths
Accidental falls= 30,208 deaths
Accidental poisoning = 38,851 deaths
Accidental drowning = 3,391 deaths
Transport accidents = 37,938 deaths

Suicide by firearm = 21,175 deaths
Other suicides = 19,974 deaths.
cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

When you look at accidental deaths in the USA falls and poisoning kill far more people than firearms.

The USA has nearly 38,000 killed every year in transport accidents how does that compare to Australia?

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Reply #29 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 11:02am

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Humane shooting operations
The shooting technique that will be used for this program is endorsed by the Australian Government as the most humane method for reducing the numbers of pest animals.
This technique involves shooting the animals using the 'double tap' method,which requires that 2 shots be fired at the heart and lungs in rapid succession.
This results in a quick death, with minimal stress and suffering.

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Firearms and ammunition for humane destruction of large pest animals
Firearm- .308 (7.62) calibre rifle such as the Springfield M14 and M1A, L1A1 SLR

territorystories.nt.gov.au/bitstream/handle/10070/212930/Feral_Animal_Control_Ma...

The Australian Government says double tapping with a semi auto .308 is the most humane method for dealing with feral pests, that should remove any doubt on the suitability of semi auto rifles for feral pest control.

While I don't think the AR15 is suitable because it's underpowered compared to a .308 many people use them for hunting.
Click on images to dispel the myth semi autos are not suitable for hunting
google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ar15+hunting

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