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Reply #300 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am

Okay, I'll get to the point Lisa Jones. Yet again, you have posted absolute garbage. No-one can attract the first home owners grant by buying through a trust. No toddler can attract the grant. You have to be 18 to get it. You also have to live in it for at least 6 months to get it, and you have always said that the 18/19 year old twins have always lived at your 'home.' The grant is for new previously unoccupied houses.

No lender would lend to a toddler, as the loan contract is unenforceable if there was default. Further, if you wanted to sell, you would find it very difficult to locate a buyer from a toddler, as that purchase contract is also unenforceable given their minority status.

A sane person would not rent from a toddler, as they too could not enforce the tenancy agreement against the infant.

You have been posting crap.

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Reply #301 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

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Reply #302 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:09am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:05am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am:

Crainial wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

He's fallen for you, no doubt, no?

Well 1 of his multi nics has fallen.....on its own sword.

His other 3 are still in circulation....for now.

Hmmmmm....whilst here, do you have any advice on split system air conditioners?

None of those are made here either Sad

Hmmmmmm.....you do have a point there.

Okay....you've got my attention now.

Consider yourself lucky lol!

Now talk.

I'm listening.

Oh and please don't tell me we ought to sacrifice a residential home for a business interest.

Just don't.

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Reply #303 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:12am

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:30am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:17am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 6:45am:

Some of you people have next to no idea about how the property market works. Perhaps if you had ever actually bought a house you would be more aware.

It's just a house maria.

Nothing special about that.

I've never seen anyone so proud to have a mortgage.

Look at me.....I live in a house that the bank owns.

Actually I live in a house I fully own. And I did so by 30 years of paying of a mortgage and working hard. And funnily enough, it is also what most other people do as well.

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us have been able to achieve that for our children also.

It surprises me that people think this can't be possible.

Guess what, if you look around you, the Chinese are doing it now...buying up for themselves AND their kids.

Putting properties into different names so as to avoid land tax AND take advantage of 1st home owner's grants...has been going on for decades.

There are a few other ways to structure a property portfolio so that it's tax effective and takes into consideration future family needs. I'm not prepared to comment further about such matters. Why? They are private and confidential and involve my family's financial details.

In any event, people should be prepared to pay for sound professional financial/accounting advice which addresses their particular set of circumstances.

Scabbing freebie online advice here and there on financial investment matters including property is dangerous IMO. People should do themselves a favour by obtaining professional advice which addresses all their current and future needs/objectives. That cannot (and should not) be done on any message board.

Ok...have a good one.

Nobody said they wanted your advice. If you repeatedly makes claims about yourself that you are not willing to substantiate or explain then why make them at all except to waste forum space ?

It sounds like you are hiding behind dodgy accounting practices with family trusts etc.

1. I DON'T care what you think.

2. I DO care about my family's right to privacy as regards their financial/accounting affairs.

If you've not worked that out...then you know nothing about Europeans.....or the Chinese for that matter. Our cultures are very similar in that we're fiercely protective of family and family money.

Look out for Eurasians....they are Australia's upcoming wealthy elite class ....combining the money, assets, professional/formal tertiary education status and connections from BOTH European AND Asian sides of the family.

Is that why Greece is doing so well Cheesy

LOL

Oooh, just saw that.

You're a tad silly comparing Australia to Greece.

Perhaps you're one of those people who thinks comparing an apple with a shoe is ok Shocked

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Re: Sydney property price collapse has started
Reply #304 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:12am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:30am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:17am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 6:45am:

Some of you people have next to no idea about how the property market works. Perhaps if you had ever actually bought a house you would be more aware.

It's just a house maria.

Nothing special about that.

I've never seen anyone so proud to have a mortgage.

Look at me.....I live in a house that the bank owns.

Actually I live in a house I fully own. And I did so by 30 years of paying of a mortgage and working hard. And funnily enough, it is also what most other people do as well.

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us have been able to achieve that for our children also.

It surprises me that people think this can't be possible.

Guess what, if you look around you, the Chinese are doing it now...buying up for themselves AND their kids.

Putting properties into different names so as to avoid land tax AND take advantage of 1st home owner's grants...has been going on for decades.

There are a few other ways to structure a property portfolio so that it's tax effective and takes into consideration future family needs. I'm not prepared to comment further about such matters. Why? They are private and confidential and involve my family's financial details.

In any event, people should be prepared to pay for sound professional financial/accounting advice which addresses their particular set of circumstances.

Scabbing freebie online advice here and there on financial investment matters including property is dangerous IMO. People should do themselves a favour by obtaining professional advice which addresses all their current and future needs/objectives. That cannot (and should not) be done on any message board.

Ok...have a good one.

Nobody said they wanted your advice. If you repeatedly makes claims about yourself that you are not willing to substantiate or explain then why make them at all except to waste forum space ?

It sounds like you are hiding behind dodgy accounting practices with family trusts etc.

1. I DON'T care what you think.

2. I DO care about my family's right to privacy as regards their financial/accounting affairs.

If you've not worked that out...then you know nothing about Europeans.....or the Chinese for that matter. Our cultures are very similar in that we're fiercely protective of family and family money.

Look out for Eurasians....they are Australia's upcoming wealthy elite class ....combining the money, assets, professional/formal tertiary education status and connections from BOTH European AND Asian sides of the family.

Is that why Greece is doing so well Cheesy

LOL

Oooh, just saw that.

You're a tad silly comparing Australia to Greece.

Perhaps you're one of those people who thinks comparing an apple with a shoe is ok Shocked

They are more similar than you think. It's the same greek peasant culture of hoarding property and not doing much else.

Same people, same dumbarse mindset !!

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Re: Sydney property price collapse has started
Reply #305 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:25am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

Yes that's true but on the other you keep parroting this house hoarding mentality as though it's a pre-requisite of life. Did you know that Germany only has 40% home ownership but I don't see Germans flocking to Australia to buy a piece of their own land do you ? And they are not obsessed with what's going to happen to them after they retire like they are here. The system is designed properly to look after them not like here where everyone is always made to feel so insecure and terrified of the prospects of retiring Sad

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Reply #306 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:26am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:09am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:05am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am:

Crainial wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

He's fallen for you, no doubt, no?

Well 1 of his multi nics has fallen.....on its own sword.

His other 3 are still in circulation....for now.

Hmmmmm....whilst here, do you have any advice on split system air conditioners?

None of those are made here either Sad

Hmmmmmm.....you do have a point there.

Okay....you've got my attention now.

Consider yourself lucky lol!

Now talk.

I'm listening.

Oh and please don't tell me we ought to sacrifice a residential home for a business interest.

Just don't.

They do in Germany and you are probably driving one of their cars. You don't achieve that by flipping properties or sitting on your lazy fat arse collecting rent.

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Reply #307 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:31am

Aussie2 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Okay, I'll get to the point Lisa Jones. Yet again, you have posted absolute garbage. No-one can attract the first home owners grant by buying through a trust. No toddler can attract the grant. You have to be 18 to get it. You also have to live in it for at least 6 months to get it, and you have always said that the 18/19 year old twins have always lived at your 'home.' The grant is for new previously unoccupied houses.

No lender would lend to a toddler, as the loan contract is unenforceable if there was default. Further, if you wanted to sell, you would find it very difficult to locate a buyer from a toddler, as that purchase contract is also unenforceable given their minority status.

A sane person would not rent from a toddler, as they too could not enforce the tenancy agreement against the infant.

You have been posting crap.

I'm not surprised you are trying to pretend this has not been posted, Lisa Jones.

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Reply #308 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:34am

Aussie2 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Okay, I'll get to the point Lisa Jones. Yet again, you have posted absolute garbage. No-one can attract the first home owners grant by buying through a trust. No toddler can attract the grant. You have to be 18 to get it. You also have to live in it for at least 6 months to get it, and you have always said that the 18/19 year old twins have always lived at your 'home.' The grant is for new previously unoccupied houses.

No lender would lend to a toddler, as the loan contract is unenforceable if there was default. Further, if you wanted to sell, you would find it very difficult to locate a buyer from a toddler, as that purchase contract is also unenforceable given their minority status.

A sane person would not rent from a toddler, as they too could not enforce the tenancy agreement against the infant.

You have been posting crap.

Come on Lisa dont let him get away with that, prove him wrong! Grin

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Reply #309 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:37am

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:26am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:09am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:05am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am:

Crainial wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

He's fallen for you, no doubt, no?

Well 1 of his multi nics has fallen.....on its own sword.

His other 3 are still in circulation....for now.

Hmmmmm....whilst here, do you have any advice on split system air conditioners?

None of those are made here either Sad

Hmmmmmm.....you do have a point there.

Okay....you've got my attention now.

Consider yourself lucky lol!

Now talk.

I'm listening.

Oh and please don't tell me we ought to sacrifice a residential home for a business interest.

Just don't.

They do in Germany and you are probably driving one of their cars. You don't achieve that by flipping properties or sitting on your lazy fat arse collecting rent.

Actually, we're presently driving TWO of their cars.

And we lease those through our business so you're kinda right.

Now....answer me this :

Why MUST it always be an either/or option in your mind?

That's always been at the very heart of my contention with you.

Why can't we invest in BOTH?

Perhaps and if you feel comfortable, you might be able to explain why you haven't invested in both property AND business. It's up to you....no pressure.

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Reply #310 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

Yes that's true but on the other you keep parroting this house hoarding mentality as though it's a pre-requisite of life. Did you know that Germany only has 40% home ownership but I don't see Germans flocking to Australia to buy a piece of their own land do you ? And they are not obsessed with what's going to happen to them after they retire like they are here. The system is designed properly to look after them not like here where everyone is always made to feel so insecure and terrified of the prospects of retiring Sad

I'm not 'parroting' anything, you ignoramus. I bought a house, had a family and paid it off. End of story. You have yet to even begin that journey, fool that you are.

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Reply #311 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:39am

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:34am:

Aussie2 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Okay, I'll get to the point Lisa Jones. Yet again, you have posted absolute garbage. No-one can attract the first home owners grant by buying through a trust. No toddler can attract the grant. You have to be 18 to get it. You also have to live in it for at least 6 months to get it, and you have always said that the 18/19 year old twins have always lived at your 'home.' The grant is for new previously unoccupied houses.

No lender would lend to a toddler, as the loan contract is unenforceable if there was default. Further, if you wanted to sell, you would find it very difficult to locate a buyer from a toddler, as that purchase contract is also unenforceable given their minority status.

A sane person would not rent from a toddler, as they too could not enforce the tenancy agreement against the infant.

You have been posting crap.

Come on Lisa dont let him get away with that, prove him wrong! Grin

yeh Lisa grow a backbone and step up to the plate. Everyone is waiting with baited breath as to how you pulled off this heist against the tax department Wink

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Reply #312 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:39am

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

Yes that's true but on the other you keep parroting this house hoarding mentality as though it's a pre-requisite of life. Did you know that Germany only has 40% home ownership but I don't see Germans flocking to Australia to buy a piece of their own land do you ? And they are not obsessed with what's going to happen to them after they retire like they are here. The system is designed properly to look after them not like here where everyone is always made to feel so insecure and terrified of the prospects of retiring Sad

Ok....so Germany's ENTIRE system has been set up differently.

Who do you think was responsible in SETTING up that system?

And when?

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Reply #313 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:41am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

Yes that's true but on the other you keep parroting this house hoarding mentality as though it's a pre-requisite of life. Did you know that Germany only has 40% home ownership but I don't see Germans flocking to Australia to buy a piece of their own land do you ? And they are not obsessed with what's going to happen to them after they retire like they are here. The system is designed properly to look after them not like here where everyone is always made to feel so insecure and terrified of the prospects of retiring Sad

I'm not 'parroting' anything, you ignoramus. I bought a house, had a family and paid it off. End of story. You have yet to even begin that journey, fool that you are.

Pretty ordinary, normal everyday stuff if you ask me.

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Reply #314 - Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:41am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10am:

A lot of us own our residences outright.

It's nothing new...nor is it unusual.

Some of us do, but longy is not one of them. The bank still owns his house, which incidentally is not unusual either.

I know a family that mortgaged their house for a failed Jim's business, they lost the house in the end, that's not unusual either.

At least they tried and based on that experience will do so again, probably with substantial success. Failure often precedes success. Many billionaires failed their first try. But losers like nail never try and so never fail.

If you haven't failed then you have never tried.

Yes that's true but on the other you keep parroting this house hoarding mentality as though it's a pre-requisite of life. Did you know that Germany only has 40% home ownership but I don't see Germans flocking to Australia to buy a piece of their own land do you ? And they are not obsessed with what's going to happen to them after they retire like they are here. The system is designed properly to look after them not like here where everyone is always made to feel so insecure and terrified of the prospects of retiring Sad

I'm not 'parroting' anything, you ignoramus. I bought a house, had a family and paid it off. End of story. You have yet to even begin that journey, fool that you are.

You do parrot it all of the time that the be-all end-all to being successful in life is to own a house and nothing else matters. But then you do an about turn and go into hock and borrow against your house to start a business Cheesy

LOL

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