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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:55am 1 this poll result for Turnbull is not sustainable 2 the voters are not overly concerned about Shorten's union past 3 he is doing a reasonable job as Opp Leader 4 continuing the leadership revolving door would be bad for both Labor & the economy Not that it's going to happen anyway.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #1 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:11am 5) He destroyed young fogey and empty vessel .
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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #2 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:11am

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

1 this poll result for Turnbull is not sustainable

2 the voters are not overly concerned about Shorten's
union past

3 he is doing a reasonable job as Opp Leader

4 continuing the leadership revolving door would be bad for both Labor & the economy

I agree with three and four. As a swinging voter (who has by the way voted for the coalition in the last 3 elections) I am now reasonably happy with the Government. There is some more deadwood that Turnbull could weed out, but I think that will happen after the next election.

Putting say, Albo in the chair, might increase Labor's chances but they also have too much deadwood that really needs to be pruned before I would consider them as a valid Government

Not that it's going to happen anyway.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #3 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:28am

He will probably go.
Leadership is all about quite calm confidence, the type of
"state' that malcolm exudes. the type of state that John Howard exuded.

People and young horses(please remember we are a herd animal and entirely ruled by group think), only feel able to get on with our lives when we have a "natural" as our leader who puts our minds at ease.
This is what herds want.
they just want to get on with eating grass or playing candy crush and feel "safe" because the leader enables this by being

"calm, confident and centred"

most people a re negative , neurotic and quite easily 'swayed by their emotions"
they operate at a low level of consciousness and modern society allows this to become even lower as their is really no need to extend yourself in a nanny state. you can live your whole life in slacker mode and this includes being a mental slacker.
you dont need to dig deeply or 'think", just go with the emotions.

Smart leaders understand this.
Abbott tried it, but the dude gave off the wrong emotions.
The herd smelt fear, the herd felt he wasnt really confident at all.
And the same goes for most labor politicians.

Most labor politicians and all green politicians are highly emotional.
they mistake this for passion, but really, its an "anxiety' condition coming to the surface.
its very toxic.

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

the egos of gillard, abbott and shorten are built on sand. they know this. they know they are career politicians (just acting a role).
when your act is incongruent with your real "inner game" people always find you out in the end

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #4 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:55am

We still have the Rudd 'gift that keeps on giving'. It is near impossible to get rid of a Labor leader now and so taking labor to a slaughter is the only real option left for the once-powerful ALP.

The union movement may be giving them a swag of money, but they are also giving them daily Royal Commission headlines on corruption, extortion and criminal behaviour.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #5 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:05am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

We still have the Rudd 'gift that keeps on giving'. It is near impossible to get rid of a Labor leader now and so taking labor to a slaughter is the only real option left for the once-powerful ALP.

The union movement may be giving them a swag of money, but they are also giving them daily Royal Commission headlines on corruption, extortion and criminal behaviour.

if the cfmeu and mua merge as one... then its all over for the ALP..shortarse is already THEIR man he will wield the power just as rudd did...power to the factions...a classic case of dog eat dog..... after all whos votes got shortarse over the line????????????....and basically albo has disappeared...[ maybe run out of town who knows]..

the way I see it.. the ones now running the unions have a lot on shorten Roll Eyes

...... and shortarse has a lot on them Roll Eyes

??????

neither will want to make enemies...

a powerful union run govt... just what we need. Angry

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #6 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:10am

cods wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

We still have the Rudd 'gift that keeps on giving'. It is near impossible to get rid of a Labor leader now and so taking labor to a slaughter is the only real option left for the once-powerful ALP.

The union movement may be giving them a swag of money, but they are also giving them daily Royal Commission headlines on corruption, extortion and criminal behaviour.

if the cfmeu and mua merge as one... then its all over for the ALP..shortarse is already THEIR man he will wield the power just as rudd did...power to the factions...a classic case of dog eat dog..... after all whos votes got shortarse over the line????????????....and basically albo has disappeared...[ maybe run out of town who knows]..

the way I see it.. the ones now running the unions have a lot on shorten Roll Eyes

...... and shortarse has a lot on them Roll Eyes

??????

neither will want to make enemies...

a powerful union run govt... just what we need. Angry

But it wont happen. Labor is massively on the nose with the electorate with a mere 30% vote and dropping. Only the Green vote is keeping their 2PP above 40.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #7 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:29am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

We still have the Rudd 'gift that keeps on giving'. It is near impossible to get rid of a Labor leader now and so taking labor to a slaughter is the only real option left for the once-powerful ALP.

The union movement may be giving them a swag of money, but they are also giving them daily Royal Commission headlines on corruption, extortion and criminal behaviour.

And a cpl of convictions Cheesy

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Reply #8 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #10 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:39am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

She never looked like she really believed in herself.
Who was the 'real julia".

i cannot imagine my head horse telling the beta horses that he is now going to be the "real stallion".

these things are innate to a good leader.

i think Turnbull has lots of $$$$, he has had lots of success. Success attracts success.
It is a mindset more then something you go after.

We want a very successful person as our leader.
Even if its just at an unconscious level, we admire success.
the left dont admire it , because they have a deep freudian problem with reaction formation.

their basic mindset is that success is a limited resource.
that malcolms or Gina's or Ruperts success means there is less success for everyone else.

This is very low consciousness thinking.
Quite infantile.

A more actualised person would be happy about the success of a fellow citizen.

When i see very low consciousness people like Tony Bourke and tania Plibosek fuming about Turnbulls success, i know he is on the right path and they are sewing the seeds of their own destruction.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #11 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.
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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #12 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:43am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

She never looked like she really believed in herself.
Who was the 'real julia".

i cannot imagine my head horse telling the beta horses that he is now going to be the "real stallion".

these things are innate to a good leader.

i think Turnbull has lots of $$$$, he has had lots of success. Success attracts success.
It is a mindset more then something you go after.

We want a very successful person as our leader.
Even if its just at an unconscious level, we admire success.
the left dont admire it , because they have a deep freudian problem with reaction formation.

their basic mindset is that success is a limited resource.
that malcolms or Gina's or Ruperts success means there is less success for everyone else.

This is very low consciousness thinking.
Quite infantile.

A more actualised person would be happy about the success of a fellow citizen.

When i see very low consciousness people like Tony Bourke and tania Plibosek fuming about Turnbulls success, i know he is on the right path and they are sewing the seeds of their own destruction.

You should stop reading worthless self help books and get out in the real world. In 12 months or so Tanya will be your Deputy Prime Minister. “Low conciousness” applies to you, Scoot.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #13 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:16am

Lets see what malcolm has achieved by March next year

The polls by then will be a bit more indicative of his acceptance by the public. The public will start to have an idea if he is just more of the same and policies dont change to more looking after the average Australian rather than the big end of town.

He looks and sounds good compared to Abbott but that is not hard to do.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #14 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

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