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Reply #15 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:40am

And Mongy is wrongy again Cheesy

Turmbull inherited lots of properties from his father and Lucy brought substantial family money into the marriage.

So, not really selfmade. Cheesy

That other more on Scoot got it wrong too Cheesy

His temper is never far away. One of his drives is said to be to please the mother who left him.

Self actualised ahahahahahahahaha!

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #17 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:44am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

She never looked like she really believed in herself.
Who was the 'real julia".

i cannot imagine my head horse telling the beta horses that he is now going to be the "real stallion".

these things are innate to a good leader.

i think Turnbull has lots of $$$$, he has had lots of success. Success attracts success.
It is a mindset more then something you go after.

We want a very successful person as our leader.
Even if its just at an unconscious level, we admire success.
the left dont admire it , because they have a deep freudian problem with reaction formation.

their basic mindset is that success is a limited resource.
that malcolms or Gina's or Ruperts success means there is less success for everyone else.

This is very low consciousness thinking.
Quite infantile.

A more actualised person would be happy about the success of a fellow citizen.

When i see very low consciousness people like Tony Bourke and tania Plibosek fuming about Turnbulls success, i know he is on the right path and they are sewing the seeds of their own destruction.

You should stop reading worthless self help books and get out in the real world. In 12 months or so Tanya will be your Deputy Prime Minister. “Low conciousness” applies to you, Scoot.

Not really Monk.
Ive been very blessed by coming from being "lowborn" to being successful to a far greater extent then i ever thought possible.
I enjoy studying success and , as ive got older and can wind down a bit, its really about a sense of contribution.

If i can help people then thats good.
If i dont, then thats good too.

I try and envision myself as the sun , radiating out "positivity' as a pure energy.
If people choose to live in the basement , i feel sympathy but i recognise that change is difficult.
Change is an attack on ones own ego and will always lead to a period of chaos.
Chaos is a frightening experience.
I like the rightard values and the american culture as i think it is more adventurous and more open to change and growth.
I appreciate the opinions of others.
if they choose to hate on me and curse me , it doesnt have much effect.
If its a hot day and you curse the sun, i dont theink the sun is really too bothered Wink

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #18 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

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A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #19 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:14am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

still a good thing that he is successful.
for malcolm it is , hopefully, about contribution.

He doesnt need the money.
His ego would be pretty good regardless.

So, i suspect, he really does just have an excellent mind and he wishes to keep the "joy" of using it.

is this a selfish motive.
Not at all, this is the highest motivation.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #20 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:27am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

He is worth $250M. He didn't inherit that. He MADE it himself. Yep, he got a pretty good start, but he has done all the running himself. There are plenty of his peers from high school doing lawn mowing rounds and the like.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #21 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:41am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

He is worth $250M. He didn't inherit that. He MADE it himself. Yep, he got a pretty good start, but he has done all the running himself. There are plenty of his peers from high school doing lawn mowing rounds and the like.

You wouldn't be just making things up again, would you Maria? After all, you were telling us all the benefits of a private education.

What good is it if 'plenty of them do lawns and stuff'?

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #22 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:49am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

He is worth $250M. He didn't inherit that. He MADE it himself. Yep, he got a pretty good start, but he has done all the running himself. There are plenty of his peers from high school doing lawn mowing rounds and the like.

Thats very reassuring.
the natural order of things is for the successful to govern and for those below to admire and try to follow in the footsteps of the successful one.

America is coming to realise this now.
they have the choice between a very very smart negotiator and switched on man like Trump and a career politician and academic like Hilary.

There can be little doubt who would have the skill set to run the american economy.

Slowly, i think the world is waking up to the fact that the skill set learnt in the street (the skill set that turnbull would have learnt at Macquarie bank) is much more valuable then the skillset that most politicians learn by spending a lifetime devoted to branch stacking and doing courses in public administration as per Wayne Swann. From memory Peter Costello was a very successful litigator in the private sector before entering politics. theses skills cant be learnt except in the "real" economy.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #24 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

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Reply #25 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

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Reply #26 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 12:42pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

He is worth $250M. He didn't inherit that. He MADE it himself. Yep, he got a pretty good start, but he has done all the running himself. There are plenty of his peers from high school doing lawn mowing rounds and the like.

Thats very reassuring.
the natural order of things is for the successful to govern and for those below to admire and try to follow in the footsteps of the successful one.

America is coming to realise this now.
they have the choice between a very very smart negotiator and switched on man like Trump and a career politician and academic like Hilary.

There can be little doubt who would have the skill set to run the american economy.

Slowly, i think the world is waking up to the fact that the skill set learnt in the street (the skill set that turnbull would have learnt at Macquarie bank) is much more valuable then the skillset that most politicians learn by spending a lifetime devoted to branch stacking and doing courses in public administration as per Wayne Swann. From memory Peter Costello was a very successful litigator in the private sector before entering politics. theses skills cant be learnt except in the "real" economy.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #27 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Interesting that Dio Wang and Glen lazarus said they were never given Abbott's mobile number. They've had Turnbull's from way back when he was a humble Communications Minister.

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Reply #28 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 1:02pm

macman wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

A fantasist dreamed:

Quote:

A self actualised successful guy like Turnbull can be "icy' and "rocklike" when confronted because his ego foundation is sunk very deep.

It does not take much for Turnbull’s temper to show itself. Just ask him a few awkward questions. Turnbull got where he is by inheriting and marrying wealth.

Gillard was one PM who was actually calm and all the other qualities the fantasist ascribed to Malodorous.

Funny how he always gets it wrong.

Guess Scoot is reading a self help book based on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Guess he is reading the wrong things into it.

Turnbull is self-made. So are you. Bit of a difference, what?

Is there a Turnbull Lego Kit ?

Turnbull's background would make it difficult to define him as self made.

School at -Vaucluse, the St Ives preparatory school, Sydney Grammar, Sydney University.

An exclusive education track would tend to indicate a significant amount of advantage and assistance in the process.

He is worth $250M. He didn't inherit that. He MADE it himself. Yep, he got a pretty good start, but he has done all the running himself. There are plenty of his peers from high school doing lawn mowing rounds and the like.

Thats very reassuring.
the natural order of things is for the successful to govern and for those below to admire and try to follow in the footsteps of the successful one.

America is coming to realise this now.
they have the choice between a very very smart negotiator and switched on man like Trump and a career politician and academic like Hilary.

There can be little doubt who would have the skill set to run the american economy.

Slowly, i think the world is waking up to the fact that the skill set learnt in the street (the skill set that turnbull would have learnt at Macquarie bank) is much more valuable then the skillset that most politicians learn by spending a lifetime devoted to branch stacking and doing courses in public administration as per Wayne Swann. From memory Peter Costello was a very successful litigator in the private sector before entering politics. theses skills cant be learnt except in the "real" economy.

i know , right, Hilary who is such a beta female she let her man humiliate her with Monica on national media or Donald who is just about the most successful guy in the states and the definition of an alpha.
Its a no contest Wink

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #29 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

As opposition leader, not as PM.

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