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Reply #45 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

labor needs to swap to Albo ... the caucus should never have ignored the will of its members ... having said that, I'm not sure how they go about doing it unless he goes willingly.

Why do you think Alabanese would be much better? Labor itself is on the nose and Shorten in particular. But Albanese is solidly left-wing and left-wing is death to political aspirations in Australia. The gains he gets from not being Shorten will be lost by being left-wing.

He’s in the right faction, dear, he’s not right wing. One does equal the other.

But no, Albanese’s is going to cut it. Labor needs an imbecile leader, like Rudd. The problem the ALP has right now is the dominance of the two factions Bull Shitten and Albanese control.

Hawke and Rudd both imbiciles are the simpletons, and this needs to be done again.

The old boy will be going ballistic, No ?

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Reply #47 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:32pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

The survey you refer to has bias inbuilt in every portion of the structure. There is not one question on handling the economy. Not a single question on immigration or law. Nothing to do whatsoever with the myriad areas of government, just 6 areas that traditionally Labor polls well in. And that is before we discuss the rather obvious (well not to you lot of course) fact that the survey was done largely on LABOR VOTERS.

Can any of you people read statistics with your brains engaged? It was as biased as it could be without being run by Independent Australia.

There is not one question on handling the economy

That would be a huge relief for the Libs.

And death to the veracity of the poll - as if getting massacred in the election weren't proof enough.

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Reply #49 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Labor itself is on the nose

only to an idiot like you. Last election all the polls on the subject showed that the majority preferred labors policies over the libs policies, it was labors personalities and in fighting people were fed up with. Rudd and Gillard aren't there anymore, and so far Turncoat is doing a good job of not playing to personalities ... I think you should be careful about counting your chickens just yet.

If you truly believe that then you really are stupider than I thought. You admit to being poorly educated, but you need to add that you are also very, very dim-witted as well.

Got to love the context and content ?

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #50 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Labor itself is on the nose

only to an idiot like you. Last election all the polls on the subject showed that the majority preferred labors policies over the libs policies, it was labors personalities and in fighting people were fed up with. Rudd and Gillard aren't there anymore, and so far Turncoat is doing a good job of not playing to personalities ... I think you should be careful about counting your chickens just yet.

If you truly believe that then you really are stupider than I thought. You admit to being poorly educated, but you need to add that you are also very, very dim-witted as well.

It's not about belief Maria ... you deal with fantasy, I'll stick to facts Cheesy

The Labor Party was thought to have better policies than the Liberal Party on all issues except “all working people” where both parties had similar ratings. In particular the Labor Party was thought to have better policies for people on low incomes (40% Labor/18% Liberal), unemployed people (36%/18%) and people with disabilities (32%/16%).

Of those aged 55+, 40% thought Labor had better policies for pensioners and 23% thought the Liberals had better policies.

30% think the Liberals have better policies for all working people and 29% think Labor has better policies. Full-time workers are more likely to think The Liberals have better policies (37% Liberal/24% Labor) which part-time workers are more likely to favour Labor (37% Labor/29% Liberal).

http://www.essentialvision.com.au/tag/better-policies

And yet, they got utterly trounced in the election.

Ever thought you were cheated? Coz you were! On brains. On education, On social smarts... etc

and yet you're the one who has to rely on making up crap and abuse ...

labor was trounced .. but like I've told you countless times, it had nothing to do with policy and everything to do with labors own internal turmoil . Abbott was gifted the PMship by Rudd. He didn't earn it.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #51 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

The survey you refer to has bias inbuilt in every portion of the structure. There is not one question on handling the economy. Not a single question on immigration or law. Nothing to do whatsoever with the myriad areas of government, just 6 areas that traditionally Labor polls well in. And that is before we discuss the rather obvious (well not to you lot of course) fact that the survey was done largely on LABOR VOTERS.

Can any of you people read statistics with your brains engaged? It was as biased as it could be without being run by Independent Australia.

fine, you show me ONE poll that shows the libs policies (that didn't exist) were better. I bet you won't find one, no matter what question was asked.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #52 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

double plus good wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Carnal, for once I agree with you. The problem is what the party machine does to non-faction MPs. Look at how all those corrupt union touts and thugs ganged up on Rudd. Shorten and Gillard; both crooks, both on the take. The puppeteers made sure they knifed the sh!t out of Rudd. No room for cleanskins in the ALP.

The presentation of the two factional bosses, Shorten and Albanese, just proves the dominance of two completely redundant factions, and two boring fixers.

If Labor doesn’t renew, it will perish. Shorten was only ever meant to be an interim leader.

The current government’s not going anywhere. Here’s Labor’s chance.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #53 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Carnal, for once I agree with you. The problem is what the party machine does to non-faction MPs. Look at how all those corrupt union touts and thugs ganged up on Rudd. Shorten and Gillard; both crooks, both on the take. The puppeteers made sure they knifed the sh!t out of Rudd. No room for cleanskins in the ALP.

The presentation of the two factional bosses, Shorten and Albanese, just proves the dominance of two completely redundant factions, and two boring fixers.

If Labor doesn’t renew, it will perish. Shorten was only ever meant to be an interim leader.

The current government’s not going anywhere. Here’s Labor’s chance.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #55 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:09pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

The survey you refer to has bias inbuilt in every portion of the structure. There is not one question on handling the economy. Not a single question on immigration or law. Nothing to do whatsoever with the myriad areas of government, just 6 areas that traditionally Labor polls well in. And that is before we discuss the rather obvious (well not to you lot of course) fact that the survey was done largely on LABOR VOTERS.

Can any of you people read statistics with your brains engaged? It was as biased as it could be without being run by Independent Australia.

fine, you show me ONE poll that shows the libs policies (that didn't exist) were better. I bet you won't find one, no matter what question was asked.

Handling the economy Bruce, you would have to be joking , DOUBLED the budget deficit , unemployment at 14 year highs , consumer and business confidence at rock bottom and wage growth the lowest its ever been since we started recording it , with no GFC , the reality is only Labor have the track record to manage us through a financial crisis. The last 2 years have been the most epic of failures and when Labor hammer this home in question time the sugar rush will be over .

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #56 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

By your own admission righties Shorten destroyed Gillard and Rudd , he also destroyed Empty vessel and young fogey , why on earth would we want to get rid of someone of that calibre ?

The only thing Bill Shitten is destroying is leftard brain cells.

I don't want the guy to go anywhere.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #57 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

By your own admission righties Shorten destroyed Gillard and Rudd , he also destroyed Empty vessel and young fogey , why on earth would we want to get rid of someone of that calibre ?

Because he’s a dull career politician who will never get anywhere. Shorten will have no traction over Turnbull. If you want a decent alternative PM rather than a one-party state, it’s time to get rid of someone of that calibre.

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Reply #58 - Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:30pm:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

By your own admission righties Shorten destroyed Gillard and Rudd , he also destroyed Empty vessel and young fogey , why on earth would we want to get rid of someone of that calibre ?

Because he’s a dull career politician who will never get anywhere. Shorten will have no traction over Turnbull. If you want a decent alternative PM rather than a one-party state, it’s time to get rid of someone of that calibre.

Shorten is the best for labor dear, he is a great leader and a muslim sympathizer all terrorists aren't muslims but lone wolfes from the local mosk, NO?

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #59 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

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