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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #60 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:22am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Labor itself is on the nose

only to an idiot like you. Last election all the polls on the subject showed that the majority preferred labors policies over the libs policies, it was labors personalities and in fighting people were fed up with. Rudd and Gillard aren't there anymore, and so far Turncoat is doing a good job of not playing to personalities ... I think you should be careful about counting your chickens just yet.

If you truly believe that then you really are stupider than I thought. You admit to being poorly educated, but you need to add that you are also very, very dim-witted as well.

It's not about belief Maria ... you deal with fantasy, I'll stick to facts Cheesy

The Labor Party was thought to have better policies than the Liberal Party on all issues except “all working people” where both parties had similar ratings. In particular the Labor Party was thought to have better policies for people on low incomes (40% Labor/18% Liberal), unemployed people (36%/18%) and people with disabilities (32%/16%).

Of those aged 55+, 40% thought Labor had better policies for pensioners and 23% thought the Liberals had better policies.

30% think the Liberals have better policies for all working people and 29% think Labor has better policies. Full-time workers are more likely to think The Liberals have better policies (37% Liberal/24% Labor) which part-time workers are more likely to favour Labor (37% Labor/29% Liberal).

http://www.essentialvision.com.au/tag/better-policies

And yet, they got utterly trounced in the election.

Ever thought you were cheated? Coz you were! On brains. On education, On social smarts... etc

and yet you're the one who has to rely on making up crap and abuse ...

labor was trounced .. but like I've told you countless times, it had nothing to do with policy and everything to do with labors own internal turmoil . Abbott was gifted the PMship by Rudd. He didn't earn it.

and yet you're the one who has to rely on making up crap and abuse ...

No No you got it all wrong, it's abuse and crap.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #61 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

And even on his worst day, he achieved more than you did in a lifetime.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #62 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:52am I love Shorty. I think of him as a type of 5th columnist.
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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #63 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:55am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

And ended with a 4 day drunk in which taxpayers’ property got damaged.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #64 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:52am: I love Shorty. I think of him as a type of 5th columnist. And you think broadbean plants grow 50cm in 4 weeks from planting. Shorten must be doing a good job.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #65 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:11am Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:52am: I love Shorty. I think of him as a type of 5th columnist. He is worth 10 seats all on his own - to the Coalition.
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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #66 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:12am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

And even on his worst day, he achieved more than you did in a lifetime.

I'm still waiting for you to post your evidence that the libs policies were preferred over labors?

waiting ......................................... waiting ................................................................ waiting

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139596 Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #67 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am: Abbott ... He will be remembered well. By you? Probably. By other rusted on Liberal voters who can't think for themselves? Possibly. By his colleagues? Very unlikely. By the majority of Australians? Not a chance.
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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #68 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:17am

averageguy wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

By your own admission righties Shorten destroyed Gillard and Rudd , he also destroyed Empty vessel and young fogey , why on earth would we want to get rid of someone of that calibre ?

The only thing Bill Shitten is destroying is leftard brain cells.

I don't want the guy to go anywhere.

oh he wont.. like a bad smell the crook ones always linger...no matter what anyone does..

Billywonderboy is there for the long haul...

so glad you all approve of him

with the big bwave cfmeu behind him he cannot fail...and he WONT..

I have complete faith in the union hierarchy to pick a winner every time

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #69 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

And even on his worst day, he achieved more than you did in a lifetime.

I'm still waiting for you to post your evidence that the libs policies were preferred over labors?

waiting ......................................... waiting ................................................................ waiting

preferred shouldnt really come into it.

most people prefer a big mac to a salad.
most people prefer "new idea' to "the 7 habits of highly effective people"

and it seems most australians prefer to blame governments for everything that is wrong in their lives, then to change themselves and change their life directly.

all of the above represent the very basic human characteristic that "Laziness and failure " are the default mode.

if you dont want that, you will need to lead a mindful existence.

But remember.

This is australia.
You are a healthy person living in the most prosperous of times.
If you arent doing well, affirm the truth

i live in australia.
I'm not doing well.

I have....

Messed Up.

This stuff is too easy.
You dont need to blame the liberal or the labor party.
It isnt their responsibility

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #70 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:30am

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

Its time wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

As the toxic policies that Mal can’t change keep going along the polls will return to show Labor leading, perhaps with a slightly smaller margin. But disappointment with Mal might see Labor’s vote increase over where they were when Abbott was PM.

I don't think the polls would get that bad for the Coalition. It's plausible to suggest that the Coalition's more toxic policies will drag down their vote, but it's rather a stretch to suggest that a Turnbull-led Coalition would perform worse than an Abbott-led Coalition.

The simple reason - Abbott was truly awful, the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen. This is someone who expected the crossbenchers in the Senate to pass legislation without even talking to them. He could hardly string a sentence together. He was incompetent, had no grasp of the job and was prone to gaffes.

Abbott destroyed 3 labor PMs, took them to a record low vote and one a landslide victory. He will be remembered well.

Who remembers Gillard? She barely rates a mention. More people talk of Hawke than Gillard.

You are a pretty bad loser.

He will be remembered as a fantastic leader , opposition leader that is . Then rhetoric and reality had the train smash of all train smashes by october 2013.

The man who took Australian politics into the sewer is more like it.

And even on his worst day, he achieved more than you did in a lifetime.

I'm still waiting for you to post your evidence that the libs policies were preferred over labors?

waiting ......................................... waiting ................................................................ waiting

The evidence was the election which was a FLOGGING.

The rest of your words are drivel.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten Reply #71 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:53am No, Rudd the Rat undermining Gillard is why the Libs trounced Labor but now lack of policy and dreadful economic management will see Labor trounce the Libs next election.
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Reply #72 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:56am

The female Walter Mitty fantasises again.

Quote:

most people prefer a big mac to a salad.
most people prefer "new idea' to "the 7 habits of highly effective people"

I hate Big Mac, KFC and all the rest of that junk food.

I got a new idea and started a business based on that new idea. Meanwhile, Scoot sits at home reading self help books and dreaming about accomplishing something. . .anything.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #73 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 9:01am

The sad thing about Shorten is he is actually very charismatic and a great speaker, yet Labor actively downplays this and makes him talk like a lifeless robot because they want him to not be seen as a "rabble rouser".

Its another bizarre Labor PR policy blunder based on god knows what, one only needs to look at Sanders massive popularity globally to see people actually want a energetic politician with vision.

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Re: Labor shouldn't dump Shorten
Reply #74 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 9:03am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

No, Rudd the Rat undermining Gillard is why the Libs trounced Labor but now lack of policy and dreadful economic management will see Labor trounce the Libs next election.

hilarious!!! you have forgotten krudd mk11s reentry into the PMinistership then...what a shame it was a shocker...

only the dyedinthewool like yourself voted for him...

sorry monk your selective memory is letting you down something shocking..

hum what policies of shortarses are you referring too????? Grin

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