Australian Politics Forum - Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite?

Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:15pm If the current government has a policy of putting same-sex marriage to the people in a plebiscite, why not also refer the Trans-Pacific partnership (TPP) agreement to the people? It is more likely to impact on our lives than same -sex marriage, so why can't the people have a direct say on it?
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am As usual, Bam forwards a logical position. Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 45755 Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #2 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:58am Stuff a non–binding plebiscite, we need to have a referendum on the TPP! And TiSA which is even worse and more evil!
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #3 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:15am And you were opposed to one on the Carbon Tax. You do practice hypocrisy often. No wonder you are so good at it!
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25531 Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:18am ____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am: As usual, Bam forwards a logical position. Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must. So it follows then that we should've been given a plebiscite on the carbon tax, right?
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Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite?
Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

As usual, Bam forwards a logical position.
Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must.

So it follows then that we should've been given a plebiscite on the carbon tax, right?

No.

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Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite?
Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:28am

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

As usual, Bam forwards a logical position.
Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must.

So it follows then that we should've been given a plebiscite on the carbon tax, right?

No.

Why? What's the difference?

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Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite?
Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:33am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

As usual, Bam forwards a logical position.
Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must.

So it follows then that we should've been given a plebiscite on the carbon tax, right?

No.

Why? What's the difference?

Wait for it... it will be an epic rant laced with hypocrisy and bias.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:34am

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

If the current government has a policy of putting same-sex marriage to the people in a plebiscite, why not also refer the Trans-Pacific partnership (TPP) agreement to the people? It is more likely to impact on our lives than same -sex marriage, so why can't the people have a direct say on it?

Because we'd reject it outright.

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Reply #9 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:39am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

If the current government has a policy of putting same-sex marriage to the people in a plebiscite, why not also refer the Trans-Pacific partnership (TPP) agreement to the people? It is more likely to impact on our lives than same -sex marriage, so why can't the people have a direct say on it?

Because we'd reject it outright.

Like a plebiscite on the Carbon Tax?

What about one on keeping boat people out?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 45755 Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #10 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:51am We had an election on the Carbon Price.
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Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite?
Reply #11 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:52am

Bam wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

If the current government has a policy of putting same-sex marriage to the people in a plebiscite, why not also refer the Trans-Pacific partnership (TPP) agreement to the people? It is more likely to impact on our lives than same -sex marriage, so why can't the people have a direct say on it?

Is the plebiscite on gay marriage a result of a divided nation and parliament or is it a stunt by a party that is simply opposed to marriage equality? If the latter, which seems to be the case given the support for marriage equality in the polls, the plebiscite has very little to do with engaging the public in important policy decisions. For this reason, I'm not surprised the TPP and other truly contentious issues are not being put to the public.

Some form of direct democracy, like the citizen-initiated referendum in Switzerland, seems the only real chance of increasing the decision making powers of the public.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25531 Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:54am Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:51am: We had an election on the Carbon Price. You mean this one???
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Reply #13 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:54am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

____ wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

As usual, Bam forwards a logical position.
Since the TPP promotes a secret court, so businesses can sue Australia, to the highest of courts, then a plebiscite on the TPP is a must.

So it follows then that we should've been given a plebiscite on the carbon tax, right?

No.

Why? What's the difference?

Wait for it... it will be an epic rant laced with hypocrisy and bias.

Still waiting for it...

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Should the TPP be put to a plebiscite? Reply #14 - Oct 20^th, 2015 at 8:54am No plebiscite - it should be thrown straight in the bin.
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